How do you know what is needed for alchemy items and how you use fertilizers??

[n3mes1s]

Without going to the wiki, how do you know that, for example, to get a growth enhancer you need ash and life solution???? or is the wiki completely necessary (if thats the case, thats a huge dissapointment).

Also how do you se fertilizers?? im clueless. I made the compost heap, i need to produce the pumpkin with a silver star for the witch, but i dont have a clue how to do it. And no, in the wiki it doesnt tell you anything at all. The mechanics in this game are so confusing.

[Optimism]

you -can- discover all the possible combinations using the colour coded success/fail results from trying combinations

it's a bit of a throwback to 20 years ago when games made you figure out the spell combinations, tho this is even more of a methodical process

https://graveyardkeeper.gamepedia.com/Goo

i know you didn't want to go to the wiki, but this isn't for cheating; it shows the formula that's used for discovering recipes

[Optimism]

the farming section is extremely comprehensive

https://graveyardkeeper.gamepedia.com/Farming#Fertilizer

[n3mes1s]

Oh well, thats unfortunate. This game is grindy enough to waste hours and hours trying to combine resources and solving a "puzzle" to actually understand what items produce what. I didnt expect that. I know this is supossed to be a "realistic" game, but it is still a game. There should be a more direct clue or a semi-list of the combinations. In the end, the wiki is completely necessary because i dont think anyone will be willing to waste so much time playing the "try and error" game. Its a shame, i like the game but things like this... are game breaking because you need em to advance in the game. Poor imagination for the dev part. I mean, for example, resources could probably be separated by a color, and that color could direct you to a specific functionallity or area, i dunno.

I wish the devs could make improvements in this matter. For people who are completely new to these games (even more than me) and they are completely casual, they are going to give up in the moment they discover this. I cant tell that without the wiki, this game is basically impossible. You would not even know how almost anything works, and you will need dozens of hours to discover by yourself how things apparently work. Not even the slightest description about what each construction does, and i realized that this game progression courve is always the same. Get something that requires a tech you need to research, and other items that you dont have a clue how to get, like the quest for the witch. Sad. Im getting terribly dissapointed already and i still didnt get to the end-game, but since its too late to ask for a refund, i will just try to keep playing.

Also to my second question, how fertilizers work? is the compost heap automatically afecting the surroundings or how do i apply a fertilizer to a pumpkin field??

[n3mes1s]

Originally posted by Optimism:

the farming section is extremely comprehensive

https://graveyardkeeper.gamepedia.com/Farming#Fertilizer

Still didnt solve my confusion. Because i cant use any fertilizer (there are no extra slots) when i plant pumpkins, for example. That "guide" doesnt really explain much.

[Virgil-SKY]

Originally posted by n3mes1s:

Originally posted by Optimism:

the farming section is extremely comprehensive

https://graveyardkeeper.gamepedia.com/Farming#Fertilizer

Still didnt solve my confusion. Because i cant use any fertilizer (there are no extra slots) when i plant pumpkins, for example. That "guide" doesnt really explain much.

Fertilizers are used before planting seeds. To grow a silver pumpkin you have to use quality fertilizers (the one with a star) before planting bronzen pumpkin seeds.

[n3mes1s]

Yes... i know that.... lol. Thats not what i mean. What i mean is, where do i put the fertilizers?? Or it doesnt matter? Do i need to make more than one compost heap around the main fields? or it doesnt matter if i only have one placed away from the pumpkin fields? or how do i "use" the fertilizer on the pumpkin field? or is it automatic? as i said, you dont have extra slots to put any fertilizer on when you plant anything. Fertilizers can only be used on the compost heap, so at this point, i assume that those fertilizers will affect everything no matter what???

[Optimism]

compost and fertilizer is used on the land before planting seeds

why would you say 'i know that' and then to on to describe that you don't know what he just told you

there's a lot of questions there that will be answered if you actually try anything first

make a garden bed
put compost(or fertilizer) in it
put seeds in the now-upgraded bed
???
profit

not a single one of your issues is anything but doing the minimal effort and then complaining that it's unsolvable

worse you disregard and even throw sarcasm back at Virgil-SKY who directly explained to you the solution

anyone who enters this tthread will read that you don't want to know how the game works, but only want to be spoonfed a game you don't seem to like

[n3mes1s]

Originally posted by Optimism:

why would you say 'i know that' and then to on to describe that you don't know what he just told you

I was talking about the second sentence. And yet, nobody answered my question.
Its an easy as say "yes, it doesnt matter where do you plant the pumpkins, the fertilizer will affect all your fields once you put on the proper slot" or something like that. You guys keep talking in circles without even answering my question.... and no, im not asking for a "solution", just a simple logical explanation because eveybody would assume that to add fertilizer to a , pumpkin field, for example you need to add it in the same field as the pumpkins are planted.... as for many mechanics in this game, the way it works doesnt make any sense.

Also, again, no you cant put fertilizer in a plain garden bed, the game wont let you, you need to put it on a STICKY bed, separatedly. Thats why its really confusing. In real life you put fertilizer in the same field you going to plant whatever you want to fertilze, not in a separated field lol, thats completely dumb.

It doesnt matter anyways, in this game reached a point apparently, either you buy everything on the village or you wont be able to progress unless you look into the wiki every five minutes. I had to actually buy the silver seeds because it was impossible for me to make the fertilizer since i dont have a clue how to make the ingredient growth enhancer. And im not going to look into the wiki, will lose the immersion completely.

[Optimism]

you're a troll

here is video of the process, which directly counters what you have said about the advice being wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yudAQ0P1Tc

[Optimism]

i'll even throw in one last tip

you can put down peat in a bed/lentil bed/wine bed first
and then you can add a fertilizer(usually quality)
so i get the bronze speed from the peat then the quality benefit from the fertilizer
but don't do it the other way around or the bronze quality from the peat will overwrite the silver/gold quality from the fertilizer

i've never had a use for speed fertilizers beyond the bronze from peat (only because it's free)

[n3mes1s]

So, you are funny. In the video.. "once you have those items", and yet, of course, in the video is not showed how you get life solution, or from where, or the other core resources, for example... but im a troll. Yes sir. I know that for a growth enhancer i need ash and life solution, but you still didnt tell me how do you know where to get life solution, for example. And how to get it. Is that explained somewhere in the game, for example?? NO.

I maybe a troll, but you surely are condescendent as hell. And you still dont understand what im asking.

And in the second part of the video, i dont have a clue because it plays so fast i cant understand the process, anyways.

[Virgil-SKY]

Originally posted by n3mes1s:

So, you are funny. In the video.. "once you have those items", and yet, of course, in the video is not showed how you get life solution, or from where, or the other core resources, for example... but im a troll. Yes sir. I know that for a growth enhancer i need ash and life solution, but you still didnt tell me how do you know where to get life solution, for example. And how to get it. Is that explained somewhere in the game, for example?? NO.

I maybe a troll, but you surely are condescendent as hell. And you still dont understand what im asking.

And in the second part of the video, i dont have a clue because it plays so fast i cant understand the process, anyways.

If you want to know where to get life solution and other alchemistry materials, check the alchemy things yourself, you have wiki, you have google, so stop asking and do some search, please. You didn't make it clear that you want to ask where to get these and now you shouts at someone willing to help, talking about everyone ignoring your problem. But at least we know what you want now and can point a way for you.

[n3mes1s]

Yup, again naming the wiki. You dont get it. You SHOULD NOT NEED to go for the wiki to play ANY videogame. If that game is well designed, there is no need. But this game lacks completely in a better explanation and tooltip system. It relies on the wiki completely. Thats its main flaw. And its a complete shame.

And its too easy to record a video showing some screen about items that you can adquire in a easy way because there is a recipe for em. There isnt a problem about that, the problem comes when you dont have a clue how to adquire others, as i said thousand of times, because there is not a single explanation in-game about the process to get them. You guys still dont understand my point, but its too easy to blame people and call them trolls, like that guy did. Whatever.

[Virgil-SKY]

Originally posted by n3mes1s:

You guys still dont understand my point, but its too easy to blame people and call them trolls, like that guy did. Whatever.

We, as players, cannot do anything to the game itself directly, so what the forum can do for you is only advices that can solve problems directly. If you want changes, send an email and complain about all you want to say to the devs. The forum is not a trash can and it SHOULD NOT BE.

Back to the topic (or is this really the topic?), no you don't need wiki to play this game, you can try everything out yourself, and wiki is just there to help. You can try all the alchemistry recipes out yourself, or go to the swamp and buy them with money. This is how they designed the game and I like it, but you don't, so it's not the devs fault, just the game does not fits you.