Frogs

[The Scarlet Ducky]

I need frogs for a quest and the wiki says you can catch them in the swamp with butterflies or moths. I have the excellent fishing pole with the bait but it won't let me cast my line and says there is 0% chance of catching any fish with butterflies. I can catch eels with some bait but the other unknown fish (which I assume is frogs is at 0% no matter what bait I use. Did something change? I remember being able to catch frogs in the swamp in the demo.

*EDIT: Found out the problem but SERIOUSLY?!!? You can't catch lower tier fish with the best fishing pole and you have to swap fishing poles? This is a dumb design decision for this style of game.

[varflane]

I never fish in this game, it's a poor mechanic - any fishing related items you may need for quests can be brought from the witch or lighthouse keeper.

[Watchful Liz]

Well... I've never seen an upgraded fishing rod do that before. I feel like this needs to be addressed by the devs or at least explained in more detail why one rod is better than the other. But to waste an item slot for getting a specific tier of fish is redundant and irksome.

[TheAwesomeBastard]

yes the fishing is terrible in this game. stardew is more for live on the farm. this is more find items, buy fish, eggs, milk, seeds , sell burial certificates. you need to complete most of the game to beat it, which is similar to stardew as looks, but story, and energy usage is new.

[Nightarix]

Originally posted by TheAwesomeBastard:

yes the fishing is terrible in this game. stardew is more for live on the farm. this is more find items, buy fish, eggs, milk, seeds , sell burial certificates. you need to complete most of the game to beat it, which is similar to stardew as looks, but story, and energy usage is new.

stardew also had an energy system though? didn't have a constant cost for crafting
(mostly because it was either instant craft or wait for a machine to "bake" it) but it did cost energy to use most of the items in the game, rod included.

[mb3]

OMG, I've been going back to that swamp week after week trying to figure out why I couldn't catch frogs anymore!!!!! I thought it was some type of un-displayed seasonal thing. J/C

[GlassDeviant]

*EDIT: Found out the problem but SERIOUSLY?!!? You can't catch lower tier fish with the best fishing pole and you have to swap fishing poles? This is a dumb design decision for this style of game.

No, it's a very specific design decision made to spread the spectrum of catchable fish across the various fishing rods and bait types. Just because you got hung up on having your "elite super class 9000 ultimate tool" doesn't make it a dumb design decision, but it's a typical gamer fault to blame the dev rather than accept responsibility for your own failure to completely grok the fishing system.

Originally posted by varflane:

I never fish in this game, it's a poor mechanic - any fishing related items you may need for quests can be brought from the witch or lighthouse keeper.

Incorrect. You must catch at least one frog via fishing and then study it. Studying the frogs bought from Clotho doesn't work.

Originally posted by l1z4rdbr34th:

Well... I've never seen an upgraded fishing rod do that before. I feel like this needs to be addressed by the devs or at least explained in more detail why one rod is better than the other. But to waste an item slot for getting a specific tier of fish is redundant and irksome.

Then you haven't fished much. As with every other thing in GyK, fishing progresses in stages. If you delay it until you can just buy the best rod and bait, you're going to trip over your own cleverness. Again, player fault, not dev fault. When you want to fish, it's not a huge chore to gather the various rods and bait types and go do it, except maybe for certain types of people.

Originally posted by TheAwesomeBastard:

yes the fishing is terrible in this game. stardew is more for live on the farm. this is more find items, buy fish, eggs, milk, seeds , sell burial certificates. you need to complete most of the game to beat it, which is similar to stardew as looks, but story, and energy usage is new.

Fishing in Stardew Valley is as much of a pain in the ass as it is in GyK, just for slightly different reasons. At least you don't automatically fail in GyK when the fishing success bar drops to zero, while in SdV you do, sorry Charlie. And if you think there is no energy use in SdV fishing, you're deluding yourelf, looking through rose coloured glasses, etc.

[mb3]

Um, I beg to differ Indifferent Orangutan, not knowing that you can't catch lower tier fish with the best fishing rod is not 'player error', its developer error in not explaining the concept of rule progression in fishing, because every other tool in the game that can be upgraded can still craft and gather the lowest tier resources.

...Sooo, the developer set the rules for tools thru use through all the other tools in the game, but for some reason the fishing rods work differently.

I agree with my fellow posters that this design issue could have been explained or taught better.

[GlassDeviant]

That doesn't make the design decision bad. It only makes the game tutorial fail at handholding every player who can't think and explore the game interface for themselves.

[mb3]

The flaw was in the fact that the designers knew players would think and explore for themselves, and discover that every step up of better tool would do the job better and for less energy, but then not properly show how lower tools could only be used to gather lower tier resources.

[GlassDeviant]

Now you are getting trapped in the logical fallacy between opinion and fact, so there's nothing left to discuss.

[mb3]

Opinion and fact are both key components in debate, and as such both can be correctly used in a discussion, hence there is no fallacy between opinion and fact, they are both different sides of the same coin. And now, there is nothing left to discuss.

[Simo]

You need to use the upgraded rod (not the fully upgraded one). And You need moths for bait. Fish in the pond above the tavern.

[Keeblerorc]

I agree that its a STUPID mechanic that the best rod cant catch the low level fish/frogs... Just because a game developer does something does not make them perfect and the reason to have a Forum is to express opinions. I appreciate that Indifferential A'something or other has an opinion and expresses it here... but I don't like his Condesending attitude.... But that's just my opinion. I appreciate all the other peoples comments as well... Especially the ones missing the rotten attitude.

[GlassDeviant]

If you fished before you could get the other rods, you would never have the problem.

Before you whine about someone's attitude you should check your own at the door.

[MonkehMaster]

yep bad game design, the top tier fishing pole should catch everything.