Are the alchemist achievements really bugged?

[Watchful Liz]

Or do I have to discover them on my own with the goop method?
I have bought recipes from Clotho so that could have been the reason, same thing with purchasing blue points from the Astrologer.

[Zwergboendal]

I didn't have the problem but I don't have the DLC that may be the reason but I don't know

[Tenebrais]

They're working fine for me, but I'm not buying alchemy recipes - it might be you have to discover them through experimentation (or a wiki).

[Watchful Liz]

Aww man, I hate using the wiki so I just bought them from Clotho. Now I have to start a different file just so I can get the achievements at a later time. I do have the DLC also. That might be the problem.

[somebodybond]

Since you dislike the wiki, I'd recommend playing normally & not worrying about it, then coming back on a different save just to get that achievement by referencing the wiki. You get the experience of playing wiki-less but don't have to waste as much time experimenting on the second time through.

[GlassDeviant]

There are 35 possible alchemy ingredients.

With the Alchemy Workbench (2-slot), that makes 1,190 possible combinations.

With the Alchemy Workbench II (3-slot), that makes 39,270 possible combinations.

Total those to get 40,460 combinations.

Without the goop, trial and error would be entirely unreasonable for finding all valid alchemical recipes. With goop, it's a little easier because goop is a hint system.

Personally I couldn't be bothered. I collect games for the stories they tell and while I am not against a little grinding now and again (I survived EverQuest after all), this is nonsense.

[FallenOneFS]

If you use ANY alchemy recipe instead of discovering through trial and error, it voids the achievements.
I was bothered by this so I checked the wiki to see what I was missing, turns out I have both alchemy workbenches complete and have brewed every single recipe at least once, but, since I used 11 alchemy recipe scrolls, I don't have the master alchemist achievement (even if the achievement asks for 20 and I discovered 24 by myself).

[Watchful Liz]

Originally posted by KabalXFS:

If you use ANY alchemy recipe instead of discovering through trial and error, it voids the achievements.
I was bothered by this so I checked the wiki to see what I was missing, turns out I have both alchemy workbenches complete and have brewed every single recipe at least once, but, since I used 11 alchemy recipe scrolls, I don't have the master alchemist achievement (even if the achievement asks for 20 and I discovered 24 by myself).

So let me guess, it's more of the "player was too inept to understand that they should discover recipes on their own or use a wiki instead of buying said recipes ingame from an actual NPC will void achievement progress". Is that correct? If so that's another fault by the developers, people have different play styles so by only having the achievements trigger through just making recipes at the alchemy benches AND buying recipes from the NPC will void that progress is a design flaw by the developers that will force most people to start a fresh file just to get those last achievements. This is more punishing than the fishing mechanic I think. At least I can take my file and separate it if I want to start another one. But it's still annoying.

[GlassDeviant]

Originally posted by l1z4rdbr34th:

So let me guess, it's more of the "player was too inept to understand that they should discover recipes on their own or use a wiki instead of buying said recipes ingame from an actual NPC will void achievement progress". Is that correct? If so that's another fault by the developers, people have different play styles so by only having the achievements trigger through just making recipes at the alchemy benches AND buying recipes from the NPC will void that progress is a design flaw by the developers that will force most people to start a fresh file just to get those last achievements. This is more punishing than the fishing mechanic I think. At least I can take my file and separate it if I want to start another one. But it's still annoying.

Those recipe scrolls are from the DLC, they didn't exist before 1.20. Yes, LB made a mistake not accounting for that in the achievements, but consider this: It's not much of an "achievement" to have part of it handed to you, so it's legit to have to discover them all yourself, but there should have been a warning when using the scrolls that using even one would block the achievement, with buttons to choose whether to use the scroll or not.

[FallenOneFS]

Originally posted by l1z4rdbr34th:

Originally posted by KabalXFS:

If you use ANY alchemy recipe instead of discovering through trial and error, it voids the achievements.
I was bothered by this so I checked the wiki to see what I was missing, turns out I have both alchemy workbenches complete and have brewed every single recipe at least once, but, since I used 11 alchemy recipe scrolls, I don't have the master alchemist achievement (even if the achievement asks for 20 and I discovered 24 by myself).

So let me guess, it's more of the "player was too inept to understand that they should discover recipes on their own or use a wiki instead of buying said recipes ingame from an actual NPC will void achievement progress". Is that correct? If so that's another fault by the developers, people have different play styles so by only having the achievements trigger through just making recipes at the alchemy benches AND buying recipes from the NPC will void that progress is a design flaw by the developers that will force most people to start a fresh file just to get those last achievements. This is more punishing than the fishing mechanic I think. At least I can take my file and separate it if I want to start another one. But it's still annoying.

Well, yes.
But I wouldn't say it's a flaw, it's more like a bug, if anything. I said, I used 11 scrolls that I got from the DLC, all other recipes I found myself, I admit I have looked to the wiki for a few, I think 6 or 7, but I've done them by myself, no scroll involved, so, in total, I have made 24 recipes BY MYSELF, which should count for the achievement, but since I don't have it... Well... You can make your own conclusion...

Originally posted by Indifferent Orangutan:

Those recipe scrolls are from the DLC, they didn't exist before 1.20. Yes, LB made a mistake not accounting for that in the achievements, but consider this: It's not much of an "achievement" to have part of it handed to you, so it's legit to have to discover them all yourself, but there should have been a warning when using the scrolls that using even one would block the achievement, with buttons to choose whether to use the scroll or not.

Well, yes, but actually no.
You see, there are 2 achievements, one asks for you to "discover" 5 alchemy recipes, the other asks for you to "discover" 20 alchemy recipes. Well, if "discover" means only making them yourself, and ONLY THAT, I should have the achievement, I did exactly what the achievement asks for, to "discover" 20 recipes (I have "discovered" 24), BUT, I don't have it. I admit I looked for some at the wiki, but no all, most I got from experimentation and 11 from scrolls.
In other words, I "achieved" what it was asking, even more than what was asked, but because I used some scrolls along the way, I'm denied my own "achievement".

I agree that is not much of an "achievement" if some are handed to you, but, for what is worth, out of 24 that I got myself, that is, without scrolls, 17 were pure grind, trial and error, and some of the ones I got from scrolls were so simple that I'd have gotten them eventually without much effort, still, no achievement for me.
This does look like a bug... Well, whatever, maybe someday I'll start a new file to get this 1 achievement...

[GlassDeviant]

Okay, I count 35 total alchemy recipes. There are three achievements for 5, 10 and 20 recipes. Did it occur to you that perhaps the achievements are always for discovering new recipes? So the first one is 5, the second is 10 more for a total of 15 and the third is 20 for a total of 35 new recipes discovered?

[FallenOneFS]

Originally posted by Indifferent Orangutan:

Okay, I count 35 total alchemy recipes. There are three achievements for 5, 10 and 20 recipes. Did it occur to you that perhaps the achievements are always for discovering new recipes? So the first one is 5, the second is 10 more for a total of 15 and the third is 20 for a total of 35 new recipes discovered?

It did, but it wouldn't make sense. The way the achievement is worded means, literally, that you have to discover 5, 10 and 20 recipes, not MORE recipes, but cumulative recipes.

If what you said is true, the achievement is missleading and should be rephrased to something on these lines: discover 5, 15 and all alchemy recipes.
Either way, it's now void and null, nothing to do about this. I won't start a new file soon, maybe in a year or so I'll come back to this, right now I'll, maybe, get the ones that are still possible and move on.

[GlassDeviant]

Originally posted by KabalXFS:

It did, but it wouldn't make sense. The way the achievement is worded means, literally, that you have to discover 5, 10 and 20 recipes, not MORE recipes, but cumulative recipes.

If what you said is true, the achievement is missleading and should be rephrased to something on these lines: discover 5, 15 and all alchemy recipes.
Either way, it's now void and null, nothing to do about this. I won't start a new file soon, maybe in a year or so I'll come back to this, right now I'll, maybe, get the ones that are still possible and move on.

Making sense is subjective.

You do realize that this game is written by Russian folks, yes? It can be expected that the translations to English might not be 100% perfect and that such a nuance could be lost. Perhaps a post in the Suggestions forum would lead to a better achievement description. Or heck, I could be completely wrong and there needs to be a bugfix. What I posted was only one possible theory.

[Pute à Succès]

i discovered all recipe in my account but after DLC release and the achievement *20 doesnt proc

[TI0MA]

i have more than 30 recipes, but I have no alchemist achievements too !

[Watchful Liz]

After pain-stakingly going through the game for several hours I now have all of the alchemist achievements thanks to the Steam guide.