Denuvo = no buy

[thainen]

I've been waiting for years to play this game. I was happy to see it finally making it to Steam, and was ready to pay whatever price.
However, no matter how good the game is, it's not worth infesting your PC with malware. Denuvo is a dealbreaker. I'm making a new topic to say it, because I want the publishers to hear it. You're not hurting the pirates -- they will crack it in a couple of weeks anyway. You're driving away customers.

[Redrusty66]

davidb11님이 먼저 게시:

I'll be honest, I can't imagine that companies have shills that run amok like wildfire. :) There are exceptions to the rule, sure, but it's not a big thing, where a ton of them are all over the place.

I'm 35 years old.
I've been on the internet quite literally before Tim Bruners-Lee made the World Wide Web. Prodigy, anyone? :)
So, believe me, I've seen enough and know enough to not be rooted in igorance.

I'll trust people if they can give concrete evidence that Denuvo is terrible hot garbage, but until then, I'm going to trust the person way above who was friendly.
Eisberg was his name.
"Denuvo needs communication with Denuvo servers after installation and at random times. If no servers are available or you have no internet when it wants connection to Denuvo servers then you will not be able to play the game."

IF anyone can confirm that Denuvo is worse than that, feel free. But I would like concrete evidence.

There is just no valid reason to have shills. I mean, first, shills have to be paid to keep them loyal, and they can have so much dirt on you it's not even worth it to help you anymore. :)
Secondly, well, people's moral compass can switch, and greed ceases to be a motivator. :)

then you should be familiar with a little thing called GOOGLE. Couple searches like "denuvo problems", or "Why is denuvo hated" ...you get the jist....should answer all your questions pretty darn quickly.

[MancSoulja]

Redrusty66님이 먼저 게시:

davidb11님이 먼저 게시:

I'll be honest, I can't imagine that companies have shills that run amok like wildfire. :) There are exceptions to the rule, sure, but it's not a big thing, where a ton of them are all over the place.

I'm 35 years old.
I've been on the internet quite literally before Tim Bruners-Lee made the World Wide Web. Prodigy, anyone? :)
So, believe me, I've seen enough and know enough to not be rooted in igorance.

I'll trust people if they can give concrete evidence that Denuvo is terrible hot garbage, but until then, I'm going to trust the person way above who was friendly.
Eisberg was his name.
"Denuvo needs communication with Denuvo servers after installation and at random times. If no servers are available or you have no internet when it wants connection to Denuvo servers then you will not be able to play the game."

IF anyone can confirm that Denuvo is worse than that, feel free. But I would like concrete evidence.

There is just no valid reason to have shills. I mean, first, shills have to be paid to keep them loyal, and they can have so much dirt on you it's not even worth it to help you anymore. :)
Secondly, well, people's moral compass can switch, and greed ceases to be a motivator. :)

then you should be familiar with a little thing called GOOGLE since you are so uber comp basket of knowledge. COuple searches like "denuvo problems", or "Why is denuvo hated" ...you get the jist....should answer all your questions pretty darn quickly..lmao

But it is all fallacies, a convient scapegoat for people with a lack of knowledge or an underpowered PC. I bet not one of you actually know what Denuvo is or how it works.

You're just sheep looking for someone to blame for your own shortcomings.

[hi5kba]

Tonkinese님이 먼저 게시:

denuvo is fine you damned robots

the only thing wrong is 50 usd for this game

First thing Denuvo is Spyware Crap the Companies use to Havest you Data and Play habits.
And Yes I Do have a friend who (Had, fired when it was leaked to the Press) worked for a company using this Practice.

my other Household Members also web conference from home so Yeah Bandwitdh thats a Big Problem, its expensive already without the whole US net neutrality being Repealled

[MancSoulja]

hi5kba님이 먼저 게시:

Tonkinese님이 먼저 게시:

denuvo is fine you damned robots

the only thing wrong is 50 usd for this game

First thing Denuvo is Spyware Crap the Companies use to Havest you Data and Play habits.
And Yes I Do have a friend who (Had, fired when it was leaked to the Press) worked for a company using this Practice.

my other Household Members also web conference from home so Yeah Bandwitdh thats a Big Problem, its expensive already without the whole US net neutrality being Repealled

So the world should sit tight and wait for you to catch up because the richest county in the world would rather build a wall round Mexico than invest in a proper high speed broadband network?

[Red Shoe Paul]

OP is a brony, I don't know why you nerds have allowed this thread to go on so long.

[Tiasmoon]

davidb11님이 먼저 게시:

I'll be honest, I can't imagine that companies have shills that run amok like wildfire. :) There are exceptions to the rule, sure, but it's not a big thing, where a ton of them are all over the place.

I'm 35 years old.
I've been on the internet quite literally before Tim Bruners-Lee made the World Wide Web. Prodigy, anyone? :)
So, believe me, I've seen enough and know enough to not be rooted in igorance.

Plenty of shills around, as well as people that do it not for a companies sake, but their own twisted views. Tho I've seen very few on Steam forums, I don't think most care. Shills tend to be active on official company forums, and the later on fan focused forums.

If you went to for example FFXIV official forums you'd be able to see live shills. :P
That said I don't think there's any here. Shills anyway, twisted people are can be anywhere.

[King_DuckZ]

No matter what kiddies scream over here, I'm not going to buy Denuvo crapware. I already skipped Nier, I'm also going to skip this one.
Kids should learn you shouldn't accept any condition just to satisfy your urge to give in and play the latest game. There's plenty of games out there costing far less money and respecting your privacy and rights a fair deal more.

Malware is not just stuff that deletes your pics collection to make you cry, it's stuff that exploits you - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+game+theorists+loot+box&t=ffab&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=Xu6pXCxiRxU and the less you realize the better, as you're more likely to not put any defence on.

Among the observable direct effects of Denuvo I can tell it prevents games to be ported to Linux and Mac. Because Denuvo devs couldn't care less. Hell, their whole job is to *prevent* people from playing games, for sure reaching out to as much people as possible must not rank very high in their priority list.

There's also the fact that Denuvo developers are making a living out of it, and guess who's covering their high R&D costs, rent, bills, equipment? Yes, you complaining about 50 bucks being too much for this game, you just paid for something that gives you no benefit at all in the best case.

But hey, lots of people don't care, because omg I need to play teh game, omg Denuvo is so leet! and before you know it, you get Denuvo2 in the next game. More aggressive, more invasive, more expensive. Paid by you.

Do you think I'm exaggerating? Look at the progression of it in the past few years:
- no protection
- simple label check on the cdrom (only prevents drag&drop copies, effective when cd writers were not a common thing)
- serial number requests
- errors on the cdrom
- sony's malware on audio CDs (actual malware, as in trojan, check on wikipedia)
- compulsory online registration
- always online checks

So that's what you've been paying for. We could use more people to establish a human settlement on the Moon, and instead we waste resources to come up with incredibly convoluted techniques to restrict what people can do. That's just how advanced our society is. All funded by consumers, obviously.

Not to forget, you're running code on your machine that almost nobody in the world knows what the hell it's doing to your machine. Starforce, Denuvo etc for sure install crap that won't get removed until you format your hard drive. God knows what else they do, or even what these files are. But hey, if you're so keen on running random stuff on your computer, please leave your email address here in the comments and I'll send you executables to run.

[Nemo, Forevermore]

Tiasmoon님이 먼저 게시:

davidb11님이 먼저 게시:

I'll be honest, I can't imagine that companies have shills that run amok like wildfire. :) There are exceptions to the rule, sure, but it's not a big thing, where a ton of them are all over the place.

I'm 35 years old.
I've been on the internet quite literally before Tim Bruners-Lee made the World Wide Web. Prodigy, anyone? :)
So, believe me, I've seen enough and know enough to not be rooted in igorance.

Plenty of shills around, as well as people that do it not for a companies sake, but their own twisted views. Tho I've seen very few on Steam forums, I don't think most care. Shills tend to be active on official company forums, and the later on fan focused forums.

If you went to for example FFXIV official forums you'd be able to see live shills. :P
That said I don't think there's any here. Shills anyway, twisted people are can be anywhere.

I could easily see company shills active on Steam forus during the initial sales period of a new title launch. After that, I doubt it would be economically viable to maintain that level of public perception manipulation.

Though I have seen shills from official games forums move over to the steam forums to do damage control during periods of community backlash. One in particular was an xbox user who came to steam forums to talk about how great the developers were which, in my opinion, is a very strange thing to see.

[MancSoulja]

King_DuckZ님이 먼저 게시:

No matter what kiddies scream over here, I'm not going to buy Denuvo crapware. I already skipped Nier, I'm also going to skip this one.
Kids should learn you shouldn't accept any condition just to satisfy your urge to give in and play the latest game. There's plenty of games out there costing far less money and respecting your privacy and rights a fair deal more.

Malware is not just stuff that deletes your pics collection to make you cry, it's stuff that exploits you - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+game+theorists+loot+box&t=ffab&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=Xu6pXCxiRxU and the less you realize the better, as you're more likely to not put any defence on.

Among the observable direct effects of Denuvo I can tell it prevents games to be ported to Linux and Mac. Because Denuvo devs couldn't care less. Hell, their whole job is to *prevent* people from playing games, for sure reaching out to as much people as possible must not rank very high in their priority list.

There's also the fact that Denuvo developers are making a living out of it, and guess who's covering their high R&D costs, rent, bills, equipment? Yes, you complaining about 50 bucks being too much for this game, you just paid for something that gives you no benefit at all in the best case.

But hey, lots of people don't care, because omg I need to play teh game, omg Denuvo is so leet! and before you know it, you get Denuvo2 in the next game. More aggressive, more invasive, more expensive. Paid by you.

Do you think I'm exaggerating? Look at the progression of it in the past few years:
- no protection
- simple label check on the cdrom (only prevents drag&drop copies, effective when cd writers were not a common thing)
- serial number requests
- errors on the cdrom
- sony's malware on audio CDs (actual malware, as in trojan, check on wikipedia)
- compulsory online registration
- always online checks

So that's what you've been paying for. We could use more people to establish a human settlement on the Moon, and instead we waste resources to come up with incredibly convoluted techniques to restrict what people can do. That's just how advanced our society is. All funded by consumers, obviously.

Not to forget, you're running code on your machine that almost nobody in the world knows what the hell it's doing to your machine. Starforce, Denuvo etc for sure install crap that won't get removed until you format your hard drive. God knows what else they do, or even what these files are. But hey, if you're so keen on running random stuff on your computer, please leave your email address here in the comments and I'll send you executables to run.

You're so edgy and cool, calling other people you have no clue about kids. Just because your argument is based on ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

I would never have expected that from an idiot hiding behind a private profile.

[Nemo, Forevermore]

MancSoulja님이 먼저 게시:

King_DuckZ님이 먼저 게시:

No matter what kiddies scream over here, I'm not going to buy Denuvo crapware. I already skipped Nier, I'm also going to skip this one.
Kids should learn you shouldn't accept any condition just to satisfy your urge to give in and play the latest game. There's plenty of games out there costing far less money and respecting your privacy and rights a fair deal more.

Malware is not just stuff that deletes your pics collection to make you cry, it's stuff that exploits you - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+game+theorists+loot+box&t=ffab&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=Xu6pXCxiRxU and the less you realize the better, as you're more likely to not put any defence on.

Among the observable direct effects of Denuvo I can tell it prevents games to be ported to Linux and Mac. Because Denuvo devs couldn't care less. Hell, their whole job is to *prevent* people from playing games, for sure reaching out to as much people as possible must not rank very high in their priority list.

There's also the fact that Denuvo developers are making a living out of it, and guess who's covering their high R&D costs, rent, bills, equipment? Yes, you complaining about 50 bucks being too much for this game, you just paid for something that gives you no benefit at all in the best case.

But hey, lots of people don't care, because omg I need to play teh game, omg Denuvo is so leet! and before you know it, you get Denuvo2 in the next game. More aggressive, more invasive, more expensive. Paid by you.

Do you think I'm exaggerating? Look at the progression of it in the past few years:
- no protection
- simple label check on the cdrom (only prevents drag&drop copies, effective when cd writers were not a common thing)
- serial number requests
- errors on the cdrom
- sony's malware on audio CDs (actual malware, as in trojan, check on wikipedia)
- compulsory online registration
- always online checks

So that's what you've been paying for. We could use more people to establish a human settlement on the Moon, and instead we waste resources to come up with incredibly convoluted techniques to restrict what people can do. That's just how advanced our society is. All funded by consumers, obviously.

Not to forget, you're running code on your machine that almost nobody in the world knows what the hell it's doing to your machine. Starforce, Denuvo etc for sure install crap that won't get removed until you format your hard drive. God knows what else they do, or even what these files are. But hey, if you're so keen on running random stuff on your computer, please leave your email address here in the comments and I'll send you executables to run.

You're so edgy and cool, calling other people you have no clue about kids. Just because your argument is based on ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

I would never have expected that from an idiot hiding behind a private profile.

The irony of this reaction. Calling someone who uses insults an "idiot" puts you in the very same boat optically. You might want to turn that critical eye on your own actions and behavior as well. Just a humble opinion of course.

[MancSoulja]

Mass Defect님이 먼저 게시:

MancSoulja님이 먼저 게시:

You're so edgy and cool, calling other people you have no clue about kids. Just because your argument is based on ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

I would never have expected that from an idiot hiding behind a private profile.

The irony of this reaction. Calling someone who uses insults an "idiot" puts you in the very same boat optically. You might want to turn that critical eye on your own actions and behavior as well. Just a humble opinion of course.

Is using a word that describes someone an insult? Calling someone an idiot is only offensive if it's not true. otherwise it's simply an adjective.

I have no issues with my behaviour, but if you do have any concerns, do not be afraid to approach me about it. I'm only a ♥♥♥♥ to other ♥♥♥♥♥ .

[King_DuckZ]

MancSoulja님이 먼저 게시:

Mass Defect님이 먼저 게시:

The irony of this reaction. Calling someone who uses insults an "idiot" puts you in the very same boat optically. You might want to turn that critical eye on your own actions and behavior as well. Just a humble opinion of course.

Is using a word that describes someone an insult? Calling someone an idiot is only offensive if it's not true. otherwise it's simply an adjective.

I have no issues with my behaviour, but if you do have any concerns, Do not be afraid to approach me about it. I'm only a ♥♥♥♥ to other ♥♥♥♥♥.

Wat? lol since when is being a kid a bad thing? Or I don't understand where I'd be insulting anybody. If you're not a kid, aka if your age is greater than - say - ~18, then why do you feel my comment was directed at you?

[King_DuckZ]

MancSoulja님이 먼저 게시:

Mass Defect님이 먼저 게시:

The irony of this reaction. Calling someone who uses insults an "idiot" puts you in the very same boat optically. You might want to turn that critical eye on your own actions and behavior as well. Just a humble opinion of course.

Is using a word that describes someone an insult? Calling someone an idiot is only offensive if it's not true. otherwise it's simply an adjective.

I have no issues with my behaviour, but if you do have any concerns, do not be afraid to approach me about it. I'm only a ♥♥♥♥ to other ♥♥♥♥♥ .

Also lol congrats you unlocked the Ad-hominem fallacy achievement! https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

[King_DuckZ]

Alexander Dragonfang님이 먼저 게시:

Denuvo is bad, and it really goes against customers.

If the industry had better customer service in general (including their prices... Some of which are incredibly... well...) piracy wouldn't be an issue, or at least, wouldn't be as terrible. There will be always pirates and they will always sooner or later get over any safety measure.

You're spot on my friend. There are official researches backing you https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/09/eu-study-finds-piracy-doesnt-hurt-game-sales-may-actually-help/ it's just that... somehow... some paper never became popular. The empirical "1 download = 1 lost sale" seems to get a lot more pitching, for some reason, in spite of not being backed by anything at all.

[MagnificentRoast]

Denuvo isn't malware, it doesn't even install on your machine. It's hard coded into the exe of the game and doesn't operate unless you run the exe. Nice way of justifying stealing though, OP.