Hunter control scheme toggle

[Spadassin Hamelin]

So I've been playing a lot in gunslinger mostly because I'm used to other shooters and I would like to switch to hunter for immersion.

Problem is hunter controls are super clonky, I usually use "hold" to aim down sight but keeping 2 buttons held down to aim (3 considering I also hold down the lower DPI button of my mouse when aiming at range) is really unpractical and makes it much harder to control my aim properly.
I've tried setting it to "toggle" but that's even worse, getting your gun ready in hipfire remains in hold but ADS become toggle.

Is there any way, settings I didn't understood, modification of game file or anything really to have the "ready gun in hipfire" button on toggle and the ADS button on hold? Like I press 1 button once to get on and off hipfire position and when I'm in hipfire I hold 1 other button to ADS.

I hope what I'm asking is clear and there is a way to do that, it's really frustrating to not be able to play in hunter because they just didn't implement the toggle and hold parameter properly.

Thanks in advance

[120 BPM]

no way to do it, they dont care

[BlackWolf9988]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Petroleum Crusader:

Problem is hunter controls are super clonky, I usually use "hold" to aim down sight but keeping 2 buttons held down to aim (3 considering I also hold down the lower DPI button of my mouse when aiming at range) is really unpractical and makes it much harder to control my aim properly.

just stick to gunslinger. i srsly dont get why anybody in their right mind would chose hunter controls over gunslinger. the only advantage you get is that your weapon doesnt clip through windows and stuff but even then there is a big minus with getting used to the new controls with muscle memory. also gunslinger leaves less space for errors so if you panic or fat finger you dont get as punished as in hunter controls.

[Badass_Ben]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย BlackWolf9988:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Petroleum Crusader:

Problem is hunter controls are super clonky, I usually use "hold" to aim down sight but keeping 2 buttons held down to aim (3 considering I also hold down the lower DPI button of my mouse when aiming at range) is really unpractical and makes it much harder to control my aim properly.

just stick to gunslinger. i srsly dont get why anybody in their right mind would chose hunter controls over gunslinger. the only advantage you get is that your weapon doesnt clip through windows and stuff but even then there is a big minus with getting used to the new controls with muscle memory. also gunslinger leaves less space for errors so if you panic or fat finger you dont get as punished as in hunter controls.

You also get an FOV penalty in gunslinger

I think hunter is better for those slower, stealthier type players that prefer situational awareness

Vs, gunslinger for your pure shooters

Not everyone picks what is most advantageous
I prefer Hunter for the immersion aspect of it

Lets you take in the world more, etc

[Paft]

Yeah, there's no solution, unless scripted somehow...ofc that isn't advised.

I'm going off topic because others already have...

It's kinda dumb that they even added the option. Way to go against your original design choice. Sure, the original intended game-play (Hunter) was a bit strange for a few rounds... but it was one of several reasons why the game felt so unique at the time.

I will agree that Hunter mode can suffer from panic errors--- because you have to delay the two key presses ever so slightly or you don't ADS. But i'm so used to it now, Gunslinger just seems odd.

They really just need to add a press mouse2 to hip and hold to ADS. Unless that causes problems?

But holding 'mouse2' to hip and tapping 'shift' works OK enough for me. Maybe you just need to force yourself for several weeks?

Why are you using holding a DPI button? Why not just lower the in-game sensitive(s)? Although, the game is stupid like many modern titles and uses a limited slider like a console game... I use 1600DPI and the lowest sens (0.10 I think) is only just low enough.

[GRU-Vy]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย BlackWolf9988:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Petroleum Crusader:

Problem is hunter controls are super clonky, I usually use "hold" to aim down sight but keeping 2 buttons held down to aim (3 considering I also hold down the lower DPI button of my mouse when aiming at range) is really unpractical and makes it much harder to control my aim properly.

just stick to gunslinger. i srsly dont get why anybody in their right mind would chose hunter controls over gunslinger. the only advantage you get is that your weapon doesnt clip through windows and stuff but even then there is a big minus with getting used to the new controls with muscle memory. also gunslinger leaves less space for errors so if you panic or fat finger you dont get as punished as in hunter controls.

Gunslinger never existed, it was the hunter set up for a very long time. So for me im used to the hunter setup. Theres no disadvantage, people think there is because your weapon isnt shouldered but theres like .3 of a second difference. If your ambushed at close range your screwed either way and at longer distances you need to account for target lead and bullet speed anyway. Very rarely are there situations where having your weapon up is pure advantage.

If i hear something or if im clearing an area i put them up anyway. About 80% of my kills are from hearing people. Also melee is left click so i dont need a seperate button to press.

[Spadassin Hamelin]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Paft:

They really just need to add a press mouse2
to hip and hold to ADS. Unless that causes problems?

But holding 'mouse2' to hip and tapping 'shift' works OK enough for me. Maybe you just need to force yourself for several weeks?

Why are you using holding a DPI button? Why not just lower the in-game sensitive(s)? Although, the game is stupid like many modern titles and uses a limited slider like a console game... I use 1600DPI and the lowest sens (0.10 I think) is only just low enough.

That's all I'm asking for, the possibility to toggle hip position and have ADS on hold. Like if I'm fighting long range or in a situation where we all see each other it makes it harder to hold 2 button and just staying on hip whenever I'm not ADS is much better, specially if I need to release ADS and use it back in quick succession to strafe or eject bullet.

Also I have about 15 years of FPS and muscle memory with hold to ADS, doing it with tapping shift will never do better for me.

I use a DPI button because I like very high sensitivity when moving around or firing close range hipfire, lower sensitivity when ADS (which I do with ingame settings), and DPI button for very low sensitivity for long range precision shots. The sliders can't know when I need very precise shot or not.

[Spadassin Hamelin]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย GRU-Vy:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย BlackWolf9988:

Theres no disadvantage, people think there is because your weapon isnt shouldered but theres like .3 of a second difference. If your ambushed at close range your screwed either way

The fact that even when surprised I get the first shot off in 90% of my encounters makes me believe it does matter. If I do land this shot I usually win the fight because the aim punch will make his shot much harder. Of course if I miss I miss, it happens, but him having the first shot would make me much more likely to loose anyway.
Like I don't think I have ever lost a shotgun battle because he shot me before I could, it's always because I missed and he didn't or because I didn't one shot and he did.

[Paft]

Yeah, the devs are super slow with this type of stuff. So god knows. Maybe speak to them directly? You don't really get answers from mods here.

I've been playing FPS since they first were made. I got used to it after a few days/weeks. Like i said..maybe try and adapt? Because that's all you can do..or stick with Gunslinger.

Sorry to be a pain--but help me understand your setup...why are the in-game sens sliders not enough? Do they not go low enough?

[Goldtooth™]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย BlackWolf9988:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Petroleum Crusader:

Problem is hunter controls are super clonky, I usually use "hold" to aim down sight but keeping 2 buttons held down to aim (3 considering I also hold down the lower DPI button of my mouse when aiming at range) is really unpractical and makes it much harder to control my aim properly.

just stick to gunslinger. i srsly dont get why anybody in their right mind would chose hunter controls over gunslinger. the only advantage you get is that your weapon doesnt clip through windows and stuff but even then there is a big minus with getting used to the new controls with muscle memory. also gunslinger leaves less space for errors so if you panic or fat finger you dont get as punished as in hunter controls.

are you crazy? Fat fingering your controls in gunslinger mode results in a gunshot, while in Hunter it is merely a melee attack.

It has many other advantages such as MUCH finer melee control (with things like bayonete or talon) , or you know.. Personal enjoyment of the aesthetic.

[Goldtooth™]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Petroleum Crusader:

So I've been playing a lot in gunslinger mostly because I'm used to other shooters and I would like to switch to hunter for immersion.

Problem is hunter controls are super clonky, I usually use "hold" to aim down sight but keeping 2 buttons held down to aim (3 considering I also hold down the lower DPI button of my mouse when aiming at range) is really unpractical and makes it much harder to control my aim properly.
I've tried setting it to "toggle" but that's even worse, getting your gun ready in hipfire remains in hold but ADS become toggle.

Is there any way, settings I didn't understood, modification of game file or anything really to have the "ready gun in hipfire" button on toggle and the ADS button on hold? Like I press 1 button once to get on and off hipfire position and when I'm in hipfire I hold 1 other button to ADS.

I hope what I'm asking is clear and there is a way to do that, it's really frustrating to not be able to play in hunter because they just didn't implement the toggle and hold parameter properly.

Thanks in advance

And no there isn't unfortunately OP. I also use Hunter mode and I found it best to put my ADS onto toggle, then put that to my E key.

So I ready my gun with right click, if I want to ADS I hit e once, if I wish to get out of ADS I simply release right click (which unreadies my gun and as a result, gets me out of ADS)

Did wonders for me in Hunter mode, never went back since.

[76561198870445561]

Is the weapon clip still a thing i NEVER saw it but I just came back to the game. I read about it when I last played it many months ago.

I can seriously not understand how anyone can play with hunter mode. I mean having to press two buttons to full aim. Having to hold a button just to hip fire. I am bad enough at this game why would I give the enemy even more millisecons of me having to aim or double aim b4 I shoot. HELL NO! I really really do not get it. What "advantages" for melee do I get? I can melee just fine without that mode.

[Paft]

I believe it still is. I don't really see it often..but it's enough of a concern for me no to use Gunslinger. I only solo though and play slow. Even without the clipping, I don't like the idea of a barrel giving away my position, no matter how rare the likely hood it giving my position away is.

I'm just repeating myself, yes, Gunslinger gives you a tiny advantage in aim speed and less margin of error...But it just seems goofy, but it's probably because I am used to Hunter.

It's harmless and each to their own..but It was a bit silly of them to add the option. It just went against their unique design choice. But they've been gimping stuff for a while now. Those asking for it are probably the same mongs complaining about the lowered weapon aiming point (not centred on the screen).

[Bad Harmony]

I've tried hunter mode too, immediately reverted to gunslinger once I realized I cannot toggle both hipfire and ADS mode. Similarly to what OP said I can't stress myself to press all those buttons to get to ADS while ALSO being forced to hold to aim.

[Paft]

:) It's only because you're not used to it?

Holding mouse2 is pretty normal for most games. With this one, when setup correctly..you only have to tap another key. Really not that big of an issue.

[76561198870445561]

But why would you do tap another key? Why not let the game automatically put you in hip fire mode as soon as you stop sprinting? Or just looking arround. Why would you not want to always ready to fire? I can not possibly be faster manually then the game put you aitomatically in hip aim mode.