Info/lore about stuff?

[Zurg]

I just got this and I'm currently playing the first. I was gonna switch but the performance dropped down quite a bit so I'll probably remain with the first one. Even though the framerate is lower than I was expecting that didn't disappoint me as much as what I'm about to say.
In the first game you can right click on everything and get background/lore about everything: lords, units, buildings, techs and so on. In the second all of it was gone. I only saw about units and even that was shorter than the same exact units on the previous game. I started a campaign as Karl Franz and even the initial cinematic is gone too. What happened? As ridiculous as it seems, that kind of stuff is what makes me want to play a lot of the times, especially in Warhammer, since it's fantasy, so learning about lore is a lot more interesting. I always read everything I can in all of the TW games, because the text is that good to me. But knowing that this is so barren compared to the previous one really disappointed me.
Is it really gone, or I'm just being an idiot and that stuff is somewhere else? Also, what about the cinematics? It really gave personality to each faction when starting a campaign.

[Namhaid]

There are small videos for the game 2 races on the Vortex campaign, both at the beginning and as the campaign progresses, but none of them are available in Mortal Empires.

[ssumbra]

Ill give you a little hint: the mortal empires campaign has absolutely no lore or anything included in it. Its meant to be a sandbox, where anything is possible and you can as the lizardman invade the empire, something which would never happen in the lore. The vortex campaign, which is more like the old world campaign for the first game, has cinematics and a central plot if you play one of the 4 original races. The other guys have no central plot and some of them dont even have a lot of lore about them outside the game. Take the vampire coast for exemple, they are a faction that CA just made up. While the legendary lords: Noctilus, Saltspite, the phat singing girl whose name i forgot and luthor harkon did have refferences about them in the wider lore, aside from Harkon, they were far and few between and incredibly small with not a lot of detail. They didnt exist back in the old tabletop and their unit roster was simply made up. The tomb kings have more lore about them but making a central plot for them whithout the old world and the vampire counts is impossible. Marcus wolfhearth is an outlier as he has decent lore about him, but he shouldnt be in the fookin jungle. The lore about him is always about his shennanigans in drakwald and if anything hed be in nordland or middenland.

TLDR : mortal empires is a sandbox and some of the factions included in this game have very shoddy lore.

[naveed.sodhar]

As the guys above said, Warhammer 2 has narrative driven Vortex Campaign and it has cinematics. Mortal Empire, being sandbox, doesn't.

Also try Legendary Lore mod for more of it. Adds quite detailed lore text whenever you recruit new lords / units or whenever any event that happened in lore happens. Makes Mortal Empire somewhat flavorful

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1656114127

[Namhaid]

Originally posted by ssumbra:

Ill give you a little hint: the mortal empires campaign has absolutely no lore or anything included in it. Its meant to be a sandbox, where anything is possible and you can as the lizardman invade the empire, something which would never happen in the lore. The vortex campaign, which is more like the old world campaign for the first game, has cinematics and a central plot if you play one of the 4 original races. The other guys have no central plot and some of them dont even have a lot of lore about them outside the game. Take the vampire coast for exemple, they are a faction that CA just made up. While the legendary lords: Noctilus, Saltspite, the phat singing girl whose name i forgot and luthor harkon did have refferences about them in the wider lore, aside from Harkon, they were far and few between and incredibly small with not a lot of detail. They didnt exist back in the old tabletop and their unit roster was simply made up. The tomb kings have more lore about them but making a central plot for them whithout the old world and the vampire counts is impossible. Marcus wolfhearth is an outlier as he has decent lore about him, but he shouldnt be in the fookin jungle. The lore about him is always about his shennanigans in drakwald and if anything hed be in nordland or middenland.

TLDR : mortal empires is a sandbox and some of the factions included in this game have very shoddy lore.

I'm just nitpicking, but both Aranessa Saltspite and Count Noctilus were featured on another GW game, Dreadfleet, as well as the homonym novel (I believe the singing lady is actually entirely made up by CA).

As for the TK, they are a fully fledged faction from the table top, and while they share a common past with the Vampire Counts, they have little to do with the current Sylvanian encarnaron, and absolutely no business on the Old World, so making their central plot based on both would have made no sense at all.

[ssumbra]

Originally posted by Namhaid:

Originally posted by ssumbra:

Ill give you a little hint: the mortal empires campaign has absolutely no lore or anything included in it. Its meant to be a sandbox, where anything is possible and you can as the lizardman invade the empire, something which would never happen in the lore. The vortex campaign, which is more like the old world campaign for the first game, has cinematics and a central plot if you play one of the 4 original races. The other guys have no central plot and some of them dont even have a lot of lore about them outside the game. Take the vampire coast for exemple, they are a faction that CA just made up. While the legendary lords: Noctilus, Saltspite, the phat singing girl whose name i forgot and luthor harkon did have refferences about them in the wider lore, aside from Harkon, they were far and few between and incredibly small with not a lot of detail. They didnt exist back in the old tabletop and their unit roster was simply made up. The tomb kings have more lore about them but making a central plot for them whithout the old world and the vampire counts is impossible. Marcus wolfhearth is an outlier as he has decent lore about him, but he shouldnt be in the fookin jungle. The lore about him is always about his shennanigans in drakwald and if anything hed be in nordland or middenland.

TLDR : mortal empires is a sandbox and some of the factions included in this game have very shoddy lore.

I'm just nitpicking, but both Aranessa Saltspite and Count Noctilus were featured on another GW game, Dreadfleet, as well as the homonym novel (I believe the singing lady is actually entirely made up by CA).

As for the TK, they are a fully fledged faction from the table top, and while they share a common past with the Vampire Counts, they have little to do with the current Sylvanian encarnaron, and absolutely no business on the Old World, so making their central plot based on both would have made no sense at all.

Ill also be nitpicking, as for the dreadfleet thing, i stand corrected as i personally tought they were from man-o-war but im going to guess that game was also not very popular. As for the tomb kings, they still have links to sylvania. Manfred is one of vlad's real sons i believe by another woman than isabela, but he studied for a while in nehekara and stole a lot of books from them. Ill also spell my point in more detail : i was more refenrencing their relationship to nagash. They also have a lot more interactions in the lore with old world races. There are no lore interacitons between them and anybody in the vortex campaign execpt the dark elves. They do however have a lot with norscans and if i remember correctly a few with the bretonnians. The ones they interact with the most however are the sylvanians as many of them still go there or have grudges with people in nehekara. Making a plot with the tomb kings without nagash is pretty much impossible and whilst you could make a plot with vlad and manfred wanting the imperial throne, which is what they went for in the first game, they also have stakes in whatever involves nagash due to their shared relationship with him (i know the tomb kings aside from arkhan are not at all servitors of nagash, vlad was tho, i dont know if manfred was as i might be mixing his lore with end times nonsense, isabela definately wasnt but she is more associated with vlad than anything else. As for harkon, i dont know if u knew but he was a harbor watcher for abhorash which is really neat).

[Darklordnj]

Originally posted by Namhaid:

I'm just nitpicking, but both Aranessa Saltspite and Count Noctilus were featured on another GW game, Dreadfleet, as well as the homonym novel (I believe the singing lady is actually entirely made up by CA).

While the opera lady is by CA, it was created with the cooperation of GW and the writer who was behind the Deadfleet stuff, so not entirely CA original.

[Doomier Guy]

Originally posted by Namhaid:

I'm just nitpicking, but both Aranessa Saltspite and Count Noctilus were featured on another GW game, Dreadfleet, as well as the homonym novel (I believe the singing lady is actually entirely made up by CA).

As for the TK, they are a fully fledged faction from the table top, and while they share a common past with the Vampire Counts, they have little to do with the current Sylvanian encarnaron, and absolutely no business on the Old World, so making their central plot based on both would have made no sense at all.

The Tomb Kings have a lot to do with the Old World. They are on it for a start.

Originally posted by Darklordnj:

Originally posted by Namhaid:

I'm just nitpicking, but both Aranessa Saltspite and Count Noctilus were featured on another GW game, Dreadfleet, as well as the homonym novel (I believe the singing lady is actually entirely made up by CA).

While the opera lady is by CA, it was created with the cooperation of GW and the writer who was behind the Deadfleet stuff, so not entirely CA original.

Source? Only thing I've read is that Cylostra is entirely a CA creation.

[Namhaid]

Originally posted by ssumbra:

Ill also be nitpicking, as for the dreadfleet thing, i stand corrected as i personally tought they were from man-o-war but im going to guess that game was also not very popular. As for the tomb kings, they still have links to sylvania. Manfred is one of vlad's real sons i believe by another woman than isabela, but he studied for a while in nehekara and stole a lot of books from them. Ill also spell my point in more detail : i was more refenrencing their relationship to nagash. They also have a lot more interactions in the lore with old world races. There are no lore interacitons between them and anybody in the vortex campaign execpt the dark elves. They do however have a lot with norscans and if i remember correctly a few with the bretonnians. The ones they interact with the most however are the sylvanians as many of them still go there or have grudges with people in nehekara. Making a plot with the tomb kings without nagash is pretty much impossible and whilst you could make a plot with vlad and manfred wanting the imperial throne, which is what they went for in the first game, they also have stakes in whatever involves nagash due to their shared relationship with him (i know the tomb kings aside from arkhan are not at all servitors of nagash, vlad was tho, i dont know if manfred was as i might be mixing his lore with end times nonsense, isabela definately wasnt but she is more associated with vlad than anything else. As for harkon, i dont know if u knew but he was a harbor watcher for abhorash which is really neat).

It's true that Nagash is a major plot point for them, but since he is missing (and will be at least until game 3), I think the "recover the old glory" also suits most of them (and Nagash is still indirectly involved).

Norsca probably could have had some colony like Skeggi added in the area because they have interactions with pretty much anyone in the lore as they like to go and stir up trouble everywhere, but Bretonnia is alreaady there with Repanse, and they are their major source of interactions with the Old World.

The thing with TK is most interactions with Old World powers always happen when this powers go to Nehekhara, like Bretonnia, because they are not really the "invade the Old World" type.

I didn't know about Harkon, it's a nice bit of trivia.

Originally posted by 76561198948429176:

The Tomb Kings have a lot to do with the Old World. They are on it for a start.

Nehekhara is not part of the Old World, the Old World ends in the Blood River (around Barak Varr), iirc it's technically part of the Southlands, althought the Southlands are normally used to refer to the more southern parts of the continent only.

[Maschinengewehr]

Originally posted by Namhaid:

Originally posted by 76561198948429176:

The Tomb Kings have a lot to do with the Old World. They are on it for a start.

Nehekhara is not part of the Old World, the Old World ends in the Blood River (around Barak Varr), iirc it's technically part of the Southlands, althought the Southlands are normally used to refer to the more southern parts of the continent only.

Nehekhara is in the Old World. There's no disputing this. They sit right on, and slightly over, where the demarcation point is (like historical Egypt). The Badlands are very much in the Old World too.

Still waiting for that source on Cylostra.

[ssumbra]

Originally posted by Namhaid:

Originally posted by ssumbra:

Ill also be nitpicking, as for the dreadfleet thing, i stand corrected as i personally tought they were from man-o-war but im going to guess that game was also not very popular. As for the tomb kings, they still have links to sylvania. Manfred is one of vlad's real sons i believe by another woman than isabela, but he studied for a while in nehekara and stole a lot of books from them. Ill also spell my point in more detail : i was more refenrencing their relationship to nagash. They also have a lot more interactions in the lore with old world races. There are no lore interacitons between them and anybody in the vortex campaign execpt the dark elves. They do however have a lot with norscans and if i remember correctly a few with the bretonnians. The ones they interact with the most however are the sylvanians as many of them still go there or have grudges with people in nehekara. Making a plot with the tomb kings without nagash is pretty much impossible and whilst you could make a plot with vlad and manfred wanting the imperial throne, which is what they went for in the first game, they also have stakes in whatever involves nagash due to their shared relationship with him (i know the tomb kings aside from arkhan are not at all servitors of nagash, vlad was tho, i dont know if manfred was as i might be mixing his lore with end times nonsense, isabela definately wasnt but she is more associated with vlad than anything else. As for harkon, i dont know if u knew but he was a harbor watcher for abhorash which is really neat).

It's true that Nagash is a major plot point for them, but since he is missing (and will be at least until game 3), I think the "recover the old glory" also suits most of them (and Nagash is still indirectly involved).

Norsca probably could have had some colony like Skeggi added in the area because they have interactions with pretty much anyone in the lore as they like to go and stir up trouble everywhere, but Bretonnia is alreaady there with Repanse, and they are their major source of interactions with the Old World.

The thing with TK is most interactions with Old World powers always happen when this powers go to Nehekhara, like Bretonnia, because they are not really the "invade the Old World" type.

I didn't know about Harkon, it's a nice bit of trivia.

Originally posted by 76561198948429176:

The Tomb Kings have a lot to do with the Old World. They are on it for a start.

Nehekhara is not part of the Old World, the Old World ends in the Blood River (around Barak Varr), iirc it's technically part of the Southlands, althought the Southlands are normally used to refer to the more southern parts of the continent only.

I see ur point of view. The norsca bit i was referencing is from their invasion of norsca. I dont remember who it was (i think its settra) but after some unlucky norscan stole his crown or something, he invaded norsa and whooped their ass. He also has this story where the dark elves are having a plunder contest and one of them gets into hot waters after stealing something precious from settra. He dumps it on another contestant who is more than happy to oblidge. Then settra swoops in and sinks the entire black ark to get his treasure. while the second one isnt linked to the old world u get the point. As for repanse, just like marcus wolfheart she has no buisness being where she is. CA probably tought that sticking her in lyonesse was too high a concentration of leg lords so they stuck her there. There is absolutely no lore about her being in there. The bretonnian interactions i was talking about date back to the crusade against araby whcih was way before repanse's time.

[Crowkeeper]

Cinematics are a waste of time.

[Namhaid]

Originally posted by Maschinengewehr:

Originally posted by Namhaid:

Nehekhara is not part of the Old World, the Old World ends in the Blood River (around Barak Varr), iirc it's technically part of the Southlands, althought the Southlands are normally used to refer to the more southern parts of the continent only.

Nehekhara is in the Old World. There's no disputing this. They sit right on, and slightly over, where the demarcation point is (like historical Egypt). The Badlands are very much in the Old World too.

Still waiting for that source on Cylostra.

Nop, the Old World is the continent that is equivalent to Europe irl, and like the Middle East is not part of Europe, Nehekara and the Badlands are not part of The Old World:
https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Old_World

[Mactalon]

Originally posted by 76561198948429176:

Originally posted by Darklordnj:

While the opera lady is by CA, it was created with the cooperation of GW and the writer who was behind the Deadfleet stuff, so not entirely CA original.

Source? Only thing I've read is that Cylostra is entirely a CA creation.

Andy Hall is the lead writer and created her in collaboration with GW. He was a senior writer at GW for a long time and had a hand in Dreadfleet and numerous other parts of Warhammer lore back when he worked for them. His inclusion seems to be a major working point of the two companies working well together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBGZfryp44Y - go to about 8:20. He talks about how it was a collaboration between the two companies to make her. They both decided to steer clear of using all Dreadfleet lords because they wanted it to be "Vampire Coast" rather than Dreadfleet, hence why a new lord was made. Not sure why either company wanted to avoid Dreadfleet specifically but they apparently did.

He also wrote a short story - https://www.totalwar.com/blog/the-siren-of-the-storm-by-andy-hall/

[Doomier Guy]

Originally posted by Namhaid:

Originally posted by Maschinengewehr:

Nehekhara is in the Old World. There's no disputing this. They sit right on, and slightly over, where the demarcation point is (like historical Egypt). The Badlands are very much in the Old World too.

Still waiting for that source on Cylostra.

Nop, the Old World is the continent that is equivalent to Europe irl, and like the Middle East is not part of Europe, Nehekara and the Badlands are not part of The Old World:
https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Old_World

As it says "technically". For all intents and purposes the Badlands is included in the OW. Same can be said for Norsca.

Originally posted by Mactalon:

Originally posted by 76561198948429176:

Source? Only thing I've read is that Cylostra is entirely a CA creation.

Andy Hall is the lead writer and created her in collaboration with GW. He was a senior writer at GW for a long time and had a hand in Dreadfleet and numerous other parts of Warhammer lore back when he worked for them. His inclusion seems to be a major working point of the two companies working well together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBGZfryp44Y - go to about 8:20. He talks about how it was a collaboration between the two companies to make her. They both decided to steer clear of using all Dreadfleet lords because they wanted it to be "Vampire Coast" rather than Dreadfleet, hence why a new lord was made. Not sure why either company wanted to avoid Dreadfleet specifically but they apparently did.

He also wrote a short story - https://www.totalwar.com/blog/the-siren-of-the-storm-by-andy-hall/

Ugh christ that makes me more anxious to see what kind of utter crapshow Cathay will be now if that's the calibre they're going with..

[ssumbra]

there gonna have to make things up eventually. They only have a few factions with good amounts of established lore left AND an already established roster. Cathay and nippon both dont fall into that cathegory. They still have ogre kingdoms, chaos dwarfs and dogs of war to fall back upon tho.