What do I need to buy to actually play the full game?

[Yellowjacket]

OK, this game looks cool, but this business model confuses me, and I can't seem to find a straight answer. What do I actually need to buy to play the full game with all the available races? I don't really understand, if I just buy warhammer 2 I only get 5 races, and I need to buy warhammer 1 as well to get all the old ones?

Is WH2TW just a glorified expansion really, it's the same engine and just adds races? Or is it a complete new game? If I'm getting started should I just get WH1TW? Does WH2TW require WH1TW to play?

I'd quite like to only pay once for a full game, but hoping people can clarify the situation, cuz this sounds like a disgusting cash grab, as is.

[Wh♂♂par]

Sigh.

Game 1 content from game 1 gets added to game 2 if owned.

Game 2 content is playable without game 1, as it's a complete stand-alone game.

You get, what you pay for.

[Elitewrecker PT]

They're both standalone games, they each have their specific campaigns, but WH2 has another extra campaign that allows you to merge both maps.

[David McMurdo]

I know it may seem like a disgusting cash grab, but it really isn't, and I actually hope that Creative Assembly continues this model in the future.

If you buy either Warhammer 1 or 2 alone, you will only be able to play the campaigns that each game has available, and the races that are present in them. If you want to play a grand campaign on the world map that involves all factions currently available as most do, then you will need both Warhammer 1 and 2. When you own both of these, you download a free DLC called "Mortal Empires" for the second game. This is the grand campaign.

For players just arriving at the series, this seems like a massive expense. But the reason this works so well is that the DLCs for each instalment do not become redundant. When Warhammer 2 was released, every piece of DLC that players had bought for Warhammer 1 was still as relevant as it ever was, because it functions within Warhammer 2. The same will be true when Warhammer 3 is released. Therefore I can confidently buy DLC for Warhammer 1 and 2 knowing that I will get many, many years of use out of it.

So I realise that for someone who currently owns nothing it looks like a great expense, but it is extremely good value for money.

[Diarmuhnd]

Buy it all , TW:WH and TW:WH2, and all DLC during a large bundle sale.
That is the only way to have the "FULL" game.
But you can play a full campaign game with any of the included vanilla races.
But you can only play a full Mortal Empire campaign if you have both the 1st and 2nd Warhammer base game.

If you have more questions, i'm sure youTube has your answers.

Good luck have fun.

[Elitewrecker PT]

You could call WH2 an expansion when compared to the other race packs and lord packs. But there are other changes made under the hood when moving from WH1 to WH2 which probably wouldn't have been possible if it was released as an expansion to WH1 instead of a standalone game.

[Nylan]

If you just buy Warhammer 2 you get High Elves, Dark Elves, Lizardmen and Skaven on the Vortex map. The Vortex map just focuses on the section of the game world those factions are from. There is a DLC to add Tomb Kings, Vampire Coast and Markus Wolfheart of the Empire to bring the playable races to 7 on the Vortex Map.

If you also buy Warhammer 1 it unlocks the Dwarves, Empire (asides from Markus who is a DLC lord), Vampire Counts, Bretonia and Orcs for races and also the Mortal Empires map, which covers the area of the game from both the Vortex and the original Warhammer 1 game maps. Then there is DLC to add Wood Elves, Beastmen and Chaos as playable on Mortal Empires map as well.

Somewhere down the road Warhammer 3 will come out, which will add more races and likely a larger map to the game.

[Yellowjacket]

Originally posted by Wh♂♂par:

Sigh.


You get, what you pay for.

In this case, sounds like I'm getting exactly half of what I pay for, since they're asking me to pay twice for single complete game. And with a 3rd "game" (fully priced expansion) arriving later, looks like you suckers wanna pay three times. Hard pass for me.

Anyways, thanks for the (condescending) answer.

[THEDOSSBOSS]

Ok here we go

From the get go, CA announced that this series would be a trilogy, and that by the end, all games would eventually combine into a mega-game with a campaign size never before conceivable.

In 2016, CA released warhammer 1 with it's own campaign, known as the "grand campaign" which featured the old world. 5 races are currently available along with an additional 4 as DLC.

When warhammer 2 was released in 2017, it had it's own campaign of similar scope to Warhammer 1's Grand Campaign, known as the Vortex Campaign, cementing it as its own standalone title. In addition to the vortex campaign, CA later released the Mortal Empires campaign, which combines the area of game 1 and 2 into a huge sandbox campaign. Since half the map is the old world (of equal or greater size to warhammer 1), you do indeed need warhammer 1 to play it (though you don't need it installed). On this huge campaign map there are about 52 different factions to choose from within 15 races (warhammer 1 + 2 give you 9. The rest are DLC)

When warhammer 3 is released, either really late this year or the first half of next year, it will complete the trilogy.

The model works best for those that bought warhammer 1 between 2016 and 2017 and then bought content as they were released. To someone not familiar with the model and schedule of release, it does indeed look like a cash grab

Each game is definitely a standalone title, with warhammer 2 having arguably more (definitely higher quality) content than warhammer 1. Simply in addition to the two games, we get an additional expansion for owning both.

[Yellowjacket]

Originally posted by Diarmuhnd:

Buy it all , TW:WH and TW:WH2, and all DLC during a large bundle sale.
That is the only way to have the "FULL" game.

Good luck have fun.

Thanks, this is the only way I'd consider it, but I'm going to wait until they release the 3rd one too and see if I can get a full game for a single price.

[Snow]

Originally posted by Yellowjacket:

Originally posted by Wh♂♂par:

Sigh.


You get, what you pay for.

In this case, sounds like I'm getting exactly half of what I pay for, since they're asking me to pay twice for single complete game. And with a 3rd "game" (fully priced expansion) arriving later, looks like you suckers wanna pay three times. Hard pass for me.

Anyways, thanks for the (condescending) answer.

So you think you deserve game one content for free?

The complete game 2 is the vortex campaign, the mortal empires is bonus content.

comments like "they're asking me to pay twice for single complete game" are wrong.

When the game launched Mortal empires wasn't even a thing btw, people still bought game 2 for the vortex campaign AKA the entire game 2 experience.

Btw both games go on sale very often.

[Elitewrecker PT]

Originally posted by Yellowjacket:

Originally posted by Diarmuhnd:

Buy it all , TW:WH and TW:WH2, and all DLC during a large bundle sale.
That is the only way to have the "FULL" game.

Good luck have fun.

Thanks, this is the only way I'd consider it, but I'm going to wait until they release the 3rd one too and see if I can get a full game for a single price.

You won't. At best, DLCs might start getting bundled into their base games ~8 years after their launch.

[THEDOSSBOSS]

Originally posted by Yellowjacket:

Originally posted by Diarmuhnd:

Buy it all , TW:WH and TW:WH2, and all DLC during a large bundle sale.
That is the only way to have the "FULL" game.

Good luck have fun.

Thanks, this is the only way I'd consider it, but I'm going to wait until they release the 3rd one too and see if I can get a full game for a single price.

Tbf, you'll be buying 4 games for a single price...

[THEDOSSBOSS]

Also, since this model is difficult for people trying to get into the trilogy, they've been giving Warhammer 1 vouchers like crazy, even giving the game away for free alongside other products (such as Games Workshop figures). I wouldn't be surprised if anyone in this thread have an extra one they'd be willing to give you

[Yellowjacket]

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

Originally posted by Yellowjacket:

Thanks, this is the only way I'd consider it, but I'm going to wait until they release the 3rd one too and see if I can get a full game for a single price.

You won't..

That is also an acceptable alternative.

[Yellowjacket]

Originally posted by THEDOSSBOSS:

Originally posted by Yellowjacket:

Thanks, this is the only way I'd consider it, but I'm going to wait until they release the 3rd one too and see if I can get a full game for a single price.

Tbf, you'll be buying 4 games for a single price...

I really can't find a way to see it that way, but I'm glad you guys are having fun with it.