Who are stronger lorewise blood knights or grail knights?

[Eldrin]

Or is there a stronger cavalry?

I dont mean TW Warhammer 2 balance, i mean the actual lore of the warhammer world, which ones are top 1?

[Wyvern]

Neither, gobbo wolf riders are best of course.

In all seriousness, the lore kinda depicts everybody as "best" but Blood Knights are generally considered "strongest" while grail knights are kinda an anathema to them because theyre blessed/super pure. Chaos knights are a third cav that's stupidly powerful in lore, far more so than the knights of most if not all other races.

[Sargeist]

I always thought it was blood knights, then grail knights as a close second but i'm not 100%.

[White, the Loiterer]

The top three knights in Warhammer are:

1 - Blood Knights

2 - Grail Knights

3 - Chaos Knights


So to answer your question, Blood Knights. I am basing this off of 7th edition army books, then again Bretonnia never got an 8th edition book so whatever.

[Lampros]

Originally posted by WarlordOfRome:

The top three knights in Warhammer are:

1 - Blood Knights

2 - Grail Knights

3 - Chaos Knights


So to answer your question, Blood Knights. I am basing this off of 7th edition army books, then again Bretonnia never got an 8th edition book so whatever.

He's asking in the lore, not in the tabletop rules. The two things are not always the same.

[A_COOC]

In the lore it's a rumor that a Blood Knight could win against a Grail Knight. So we can use our meta knowledge of a better understanding of a a Grail Knight and Bloodknight that in a vaccum with no special powers, they would likely be evenly matched, or the Blood Knight would pull through eventually. But in the lore undead in the pressence of a Grail Knight begin to unbind, causing a large amount of strain and on them. Which makes them degrade and weakens them. And it doesn't seem like the anti-dead aura can just be turned off.

[White, the Loiterer]

Originally posted by Lampros:

Originally posted by WarlordOfRome:

The top three knights in Warhammer are:

1 - Blood Knights

2 - Grail Knights

3 - Chaos Knights


So to answer your question, Blood Knights. I am basing this off of 7th edition army books, then again Bretonnia never got an 8th edition book so whatever.

He's asking in the lore, not in the tabletop rules. The two things are not always the same.

I was going off the lore chap, the books contain lore on the various units, the Vampire Counts book dubs the Blood Knights as superior to Grail Knights but that could be interpreted as the book being biased.

[Space Hobbit]

Tabletop wise for 8th edition; I remember mowing down some pretty powerful units with Dragon Princes, just throwing that out there.

[Dr. Uncredible]

Vampires in the warhammer world are some ludicrously powerful and stubborn creatures, and having an entire unit of the freaks...

That said, I recon the vampires would have a really bad time against the mega-holy aura of the grail knights,

So my take on it; bloodknights are the strongest at taking down pretty much anything other than grail knights.

[epicbod]

Lorewise (Just text and short stories) Grail Knights are in fact the equivalent of Chaos Chosen but this was certainly never the case with tabletop rules. Brets didn't even get an 8th ed book but they where a Rare choice.

In stories these few are Living Legends. The Yang to the Yin of Knighthood. Armed with magical relics and centuries of battle experience. These are the Jedi. A drink from the Grail endows one with greater stature, they never tire and their eyes even freaking glow.

[A_COOC]

Originally posted by epicbod:

Lorewise (Just text and short stories) Grail Knights are in fact the equivalent of Chaos Chosen but this was certainly never the case with tabletop rules. Brets didn't even get an 8th ed book but they where a Rare choice.

In stories these few are Living Legends. The Yang to the Yin of Knighthood. Armed with magical relics and centuries of battle experience. These are the Jedi. A drink from the Grail endows one with greater stature, they never tire and their eyes even freaking glow.

And they bleed pure light instead of blood out of wounds that begin reknitting instantly. That was always neat.

[Maschinengewehr]

Originally posted by epicbod:

Lorewise (Just text and short stories) Grail Knights are in fact the equivalent of Chaos Chosen but this was certainly never the case with tabletop rules. Brets didn't even get an 8th ed book but they where a Rare choice.

In stories these few are Living Legends. The Yang to the Yin of Knighthood. Armed with magical relics and centuries of battle experience. These are the Jedi. A drink from the Grail endows one with greater stature, they never tire and their eyes even freaking glow.

Sounds like the time I did coke off an escort's tits in a public toilet..

[Zeta_Enigma]

I'm pretty sure Grail Knights have a far better track record against Blood Knights. I think they are very roughly evenly matched and the blood knight might even be a slightly better warrior but a grail knight's magical and anti-undead properties already mentioned would win.

[AVGAMER]

If the knights of bretonnia omibus is loreful then it describes how supriour grail knights are, the vampire lord at the end is no match for evena fledling grail knight. let alone might relous.

[A_COOC]

Originally posted by AVGAMER:

If the knights of bretonnia omibus is loreful then it describes how supriour grail knights are, the vampire lord at the end is no match for evena fledling grail knight. let alone might relous.

Blood Knights are said to potentally rival or outmatch Grail Knights in terms of skill according to the lore snippet in the 8th edition VC rulebook. So Blood Knights in the lore probably out-fight most vampire lords. Though they'll never win against Grail Knights because of their anti-undead aura.

[A_COOC]

If you read the Red Duke's lore, he's a former Duke of Aquitaine and one of the greatest Blood Knights to have lived,second only to Abhorash or Walach (first vampire created by Abhorash and fellow legendary Blood Knight) I believe. As well as the second vampire created by him (When a mortal is turned into a vampire, they gain immense power similar to their lord) he fights his brother who's a Grail Knight and King of Brettonia at the time. He ends up being defeated very easily. But many many years later he returns to the world, the seals on his tomb broken and fights his own son Gilon. Who is a middle aged Grail Knight (they age and feel its full effects, it just takes hundreds of years) at this point and duke of Aquitaine. The Red Duke and him clash in a fight described only as fierce and the Red Duke was super heavily injured, but won.