Lore wise, who is the most powerful spellcasters?

[Green Raven]

I think its
1. Lord Mazdumundu
2. Teclis
3. Malekith
4. Durthu
5. Mannfried van Carstien
6. Fey Enchantress
7. Queen Allariele
8. Balthazar Gelt
9. Wurzagg
10. Arkhan

[Winger]

The top 2 safe to guess ones are probably Kroak followed by Nagash.

Hard to compile a definite list; Warhammer lore is full of inconsistencies throughout.

[Kazaanh]

Nagash

[Maschinengewehr]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Maschinengewehr:

No, the 8th ed Skaven army book makes no mention of Light magic being used, only massive amounts of warpstone and machinery along with Skaven magic (which doesn't include Light). It's not Geomancy, as that draws magic from the "earth", leylines or whatever they're called. Geomancy is another form of magic that doesnt draw upon the Winds that only the Slaan and very select Skinks know. Its effect and subsequent explosion was "geological" not "geomancial".

The 4th ed. skaven army book makes mention several times of light magic and warlock casting to activate the machinery.
Thisi s the original lore, by which I go, partially because I don't know very well 7-8th edition lore, and also partially because I like this one the best.

Again, no Light magic was used in its creation or use. Can you get a direct citation for it that can be verified? That it comes from 4th ed doesn't help either. Otherwise Orc cheerleaders may as well still be a thing..

[ArchAnge1LT]

This whole thing about Slann being so much better than ancient elven mages/or other prominent spellcasters is overstated. Slann might be more powerful in raw ability, but they just cant coherently use it. And second/third generation Slann were just so much weaker. So there is nothing to brag about.

Nagash probably is/was probably the most powerful spellcaster ever, after Lord Kroak. Mazdamundi has nothing on him. Teclis and Morathi are probably near Mazdamundi level. After that the rest follow.

[Coovesinator]

I'd agree with Kroak, when he decides to be, although still potent when 'dead' iirc) followed by Nagash, then a fair way behind i guess Teclis. I'm not sure after that.

No-one has mentioned Ariel? She hasn't been in TT for a while I think (I haven't played in years) but she was meant to be a demi-god and one of the most powerful casters in the world (hint to CA for a third Wood Elf LL... :-) )

[Toby Larone]

Teclis honestly doesn't have the feats that Mazdamundi has, they say he is continental, but mazdamundi and the 2nd generation slann we know can screw over a country from the other side of the planet.

[Ashleyfish]

maybe before chaos the slann would win and maybe when he was alive kroak would win, but if we're going by ifs then if the old ones were still kicking they would murder every single being with a thought. So by the still functioning characters - Caledor, the man who blew up half of ulthuan in his break from preventing the end times while nagash was still dead and maazdamundi was ranting about needing lebensraum.

[Toby Larone]

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maybe before chaos the slann would win and maybe when he was alive kroak would win, but if we're going by ifs then if the old ones were still kicking they would murder every single being with a thought. So by the still functioning characters - Caledor, the man who blew up half of ulthuan in his break from preventing the end times while nagash was still dead and maazdamundi was ranting about needing lebensraum.

You do know that calador pretty much needed the slann to keep the vortex going.

Also he didn't destroy half of ulthuan, he managed to defelect the spell of the dark elve sorcerers and the magical backlash devestated ulthuan.

And the relic priests aren't dead, they aren't exactly alive but they aren't dead.

[Reizz of the Gal Vorbak ✳]

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maybe before chaos the slann would win and maybe when he was alive kroak would win, but if we're going by ifs then if the old ones were still kicking they would murder every single being with a thought. So by the still functioning characters - Caledor, the man who blew up half of ulthuan in his break from preventing the end times while nagash was still dead and maazdamundi was ranting about needing lebensraum.

Kroak is not dead. He is also not technically alive. He's also not undead. Dude's willpower was just so high his soul refused to leave the material realm. What a legend

[zefyris]

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The 4th ed. skaven army book makes mention several times of light magic and warlock casting to activate the machinery.
Thisi s the original lore, by which I go, partially because I don't know very well 7-8th edition lore, and also partially because I like this one the best.

Again, no Light magic was used in its creation or use. Can you get a direct citation for it that can be verified? That it comes from 4th ed doesn't help either. Otherwise Orc cheerleaders may as well still be a thing..

What do you mean direct citation? like I said I checked. I can copy it if you want, but it's in French, so I don't know if that 'll help. Light magic is mentionned several times in a row (=magie lumineuse)
"Au cours d'une grande cérémonie se tenant dans une salle souterraine creusée pour l'occasion, un groupe de sorciers entama les invocations visant à attirer la magie lumineuse. La machine de fer et d'airain vibrait et fumait pendant qu'elle absorbait la magie lumineuse. [...]
Mais un élément de la machine rompit et celle-ci explosa dans un éclair aveuglant, libérant la magie lumineuse qui se répandit dans la salle. Des centaines de skavens furent térassés par la vague d'énergie, le plafond se fissura et s'effondra. La magie se déversa alors jusqu'à heurter les Montages Noires, s'y concentra avant de redoubler d'intensité et de repartir de plus belle, à la manière d'un torrent.
[...](follow a description of the disaster created[...]
Loin à l'est, la magie lumineuse poursuivant sa route, provoquant séismes et éruptions volcaniques qui déchiraient les entrailles des Montages Noires,[...]"
It's page 12 of the 4th edition Skaven warhammer Army, in a part called "désastre à Skarogne" (=disaster at Skavenblight) §2 to §5 is a long description of the event. As you can see above, Light magic is mentionned not once, but FOUR TIMES during the description of it. THe machine used is clearly said to be used light magic, and the light magic is clearly said several times to be the cause of the following quakes, mountains creations, earth opening and so on.

If you want it in English, you'll have to ask someone else.
i'm also not convinced that this part was removed from the next edition skaven warhammer army. I don't own it so can't check, but usually those parts of a race History at the beginning of a WA were left pretty much untouch every times they made a new WA edition.

[Ashleyfish]

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maybe before chaos the slann would win and maybe when he was alive kroak would win, but if we're going by ifs then if the old ones were still kicking they would murder every single being with a thought. So by the still functioning characters - Caledor, the man who blew up half of ulthuan in his break from preventing the end times while nagash was still dead and maazdamundi was ranting about needing lebensraum.

You do know that calador pretty much needed the slann to keep the vortex going.

Also he didn't destroy half of ulthuan, he managed to defelect the spell of the dark elve sorcerers and the magical backlash devestated ulthuan.

And the relic priests aren't dead, they aren't exactly alive but they aren't dead.

i know all of that, and if it was just 1 slann sustaining it they could be included as the most powerful. Furthermore thats still using magic to destroy half of Ulthuan, the spell was stopped by him and as a direct result nagarythe blew up.

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Kroak is not dead. He is also not technically alive. He's also not undead. Dude's willpower was just so high his soul refused to leave the material realm. What a legend

yep, but he can't solo 12 bloodthirsters anymore.

[Toby Larone]

Neither can calador, he might have been able to defelct the spell, but he can't rely stopp a bloodthirster from splitting him in two.

[Ashleyfish]

ofc not, but i was referencing the fact that kroak did in his last moments.