Lore wise, who is the most powerful spellcasters?

[Green Raven]

I think its
1. Lord Mazdumundu
2. Teclis
3. Malekith
4. Durthu
5. Mannfried van Carstien
6. Fey Enchantress
7. Queen Allariele
8. Balthazar Gelt
9. Wurzagg
10. Arkhan

[Maschinengewehr]

Originally posted by Hannibal Barca:

The skaven pulled a F(#kin moon to crash in the world and ended Wh as we know it and brought the age of sigmar. whose more powerful than that?

Kroak managed to draw it towards Lustria and shielded against its impact on the rest of the world, so yeah..

[Devin]

Originally posted by Maschinengewehr:

Originally posted by Hannibal Barca:

The skaven pulled a F(#kin moon to crash in the world and ended Wh as we know it and brought the age of sigmar. whose more powerful than that?

Kroak managed to draw it towards Lustria and shielded against its impact on the rest of the world, so yeah..

And that's after Mazdamundi destroyed most of it.

[Lord Kragan]

Originally posted by Hannibal Barca:

The skaven pulled a F(#kin moon to crash in the world and ended Wh as we know it and brought the age of sigmar. whose more powerful than that?

That's wrong in too many ways for so few words.

Kroak is the answer. Ribbit ribbit ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Hurricane]

Lore bois know best.

In game the best caster is actually manny. Winds of death on a dragon will out kill any other caster in the game.

Teclis and maz are very weak compared to their lore. I mean they could of given them some decent spells for who they are its a joke...

[Eos]

Lorewise, probably:
1. Lord Kroak. Even his decomposing body is capable of splitting mountains and seas.
2. Lord Mazdamundi, eldest of the 2nd generation Slann. Kroak was a 1st generation, and you can see what his mummified body does.
3. Caledor Dragontamer. So awesome they named a Kingdom of Ulthuan after him. Notable feats include creating the big swirly thing the races are all fighting over and taming freakin' dragons.
4. Teclis. He burns entire armies alive, and was able to defeat Malekith in a magical duel.
5. Nagash. Was a very powerful Necromancer in his own right... but he dead. And he'll stay dead for a good long while. You could argue that he was *that* close to raising all of Nehekhara's dead, but he was using the Black Pyramid of Nagash as a focus to do that. And he lost to the Priest Kings of Nehekhara.
6. Malekith. Teclis lite.
7. Drachenfels. For those who don't know, he is the most ancient being on the planet. By far. Before the Old Ones arrived. He was an incredibly powerful wizard before the polar gates collapsed (so no winds of magic for him), he journeyed into the warp to meet the Chaos Gods himself, before declaring himself their superior and demanding tributes of Daemons. Which the Chaos Gods actually accepted instead of turning him into a Chaos Spawn. Of course, the reason why he's not at the top is because his canonicity is questionable and... he dead. For good.
8. Other 2nd generation Slann. Because the fat frogmen know their magic.
9. Pureblood Vampires, like Neferata, Arkhan, Luthor Harkon, Ushoran, Vashenash (aka Vlad von Carstein, but that's debated.), and the Necrarch sire whose name I forget. Their magic was easily able to animate entire armies of undead, etc etc. But of course, they got defeated by the Priest Kings of Nehekhara as well.
9. Other Elven casters. They're old, and they're good at magic.

[Reizz of the Gal Vorbak ✳]

Originally posted by zefyris:

depend if we're talking as how much power or how much knowledge in the lore. You can argue a lot about power since it's not clearly stated, BUT.
technically, knowledge wise Ikit Claw has mastered the highest number of lore of all mages.
I don't think he reach the level of those listed here in power, but he's certainly no push over either.

So in power, no clear winners but a few candidates that have been listed, some have massive fluctuation in power depending of the situation they're in.
But in Knowledge,

Ikit Claw>*
He knows all lores except waagh lores, so no other caster has such a vaste knowledge of magic.

Except every Slann priest knows all lores lol. Exceptions would be the little and the big WAAAGH!!! because they are greenskin exclusive.

[zefyris]

Originally posted by Reizz:

Originally posted by zefyris:

depend if we're talking as how much power or how much knowledge in the lore. You can argue a lot about power since it's not clearly stated, BUT.
technically, knowledge wise Ikit Claw has mastered the highest number of lore of all mages.
I don't think he reach the level of those listed here in power, but he's certainly no push over either.

So in power, no clear winners but a few candidates that have been listed, some have massive fluctuation in power depending of the situation they're in.
But in Knowledge,

Ikit Claw>*
He knows all lores except waagh lores, so no other caster has such a vaste knowledge of magic.

Except every Slann priest knows all lores lol. Exceptions would be the little and the big WAAAGH!!! because they are greenskin exclusive.

and skaven spells are exclusive to skavens afaik, so ikit knows at the very least one more lore than slaans. Ikit claw>slanns.

[Maschinengewehr]

Originally posted by Eos:

Lorewise, probably:
1. Lord Kroak. Even his decomposing body is capable of splitting mountains and seas.
2. Lord Mazdamundi, eldest of the 2nd generation Slann. Kroak was a 1st generation, and you can see what his mummified body does.
3. Caledor Dragontamer. So awesome they named a Kingdom of Ulthuan after him. Notable feats include creating the big swirly thing the races are all fighting over and taming freakin' dragons.
4. Teclis. He burns entire armies alive, and was able to defeat Malekith in a magical duel.
5. Nagash. Was a very powerful Necromancer in his own right... but he dead. And he'll stay dead for a good long while. You could argue that he was *that* close to raising all of Nehekhara's dead, but he was using the Black Pyramid of Nagash as a focus to do that. And he lost to the Priest Kings of Nehekhara.
6. Malekith. Teclis lite.
7. Drachenfels. For those who don't know, he is the most ancient being on the planet. By far. Before the Old Ones arrived. He was an incredibly powerful wizard before the polar gates collapsed (so no winds of magic for him), he journeyed into the warp to meet the Chaos Gods himself, before declaring himself their superior and demanding tributes of Daemons. Which the Chaos Gods actually accepted instead of turning him into a Chaos Spawn. Of course, the reason why he's not at the top is because his canonicity is questionable and... he dead. For good.
8. Other 2nd generation Slann. Because the fat frogmen know their magic.
9. Pureblood Vampires, like Neferata, Arkhan, Luthor Harkon, Ushoran, Vashenash (aka Vlad von Carstein, but that's debated.), and the Necrarch sire whose name I forget. Their magic was easily able to animate entire armies of undead, etc etc. But of course, they got defeated by the Priest Kings of Nehekhara as well.
9. Other Elven casters. They're old, and they're good at magic.

I forgot about Drachenfels. He'd probably rate near Maz's level actually.

[George Flowberry]

kroak for sure, that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ still kills chaos peasants while hes dead lol

[ArchAnge1LT]

Tier 1. Lord Kroak, Nagash
Tier 2. Mazdamundi, Teclis, Morathi, Slann
Tier 3. Manfred, Malekith, Elven, Undead.
Tier 4. The rest

[Darkaiser]

Originally posted by Shandor:

Vlad teaches Gelt Magic and he is not even on the list? Kinda strange

It's well-established that Vlad was not the equal to his 'brother' Mannfred in magical power although he was the best general the VC had. Gelt learned a form of magic he never had access to before which does not make Vlad a more POWERFUL caster, simply better-versed in the new lore.

If he could stomach it, I'd bet Gelt could learn Skaven magic if he were willing to eat glowing magical rocks to cast it...

[Toby Larone]

Originally posted by zefyris:

and skaven spells are exclusive to skavens afaik, so ikit knows at the very least one more lore than slaans. Ikit claw>slanns.

He might know the skaven lores yes, but his controle over the others is nowhere near the slann level especialy of the older ones.

And you forgot about geomancy, something that is slann only.

[Green Raven]

Why is Durthu not getting any love? He has to be at least on par with Malekith, even insane.

[Musi]

If you’re being technical, I’m going to go ahead and assume that Tzeench is one heck of a spell caster, and I wouldn’t suspect even a first-generation Slann could outdo the Daemon lord himself.

[robert.s_a]

Originally posted by Eos:

Lorewise, probably:
1. Lord Kroak. Even his decomposing body is capable of splitting mountains and seas.
2. Lord Mazdamundi, eldest of the 2nd generation Slann. Kroak was a 1st generation, and you can see what his mummified body does.
3. Caledor Dragontamer. So awesome they named a Kingdom of Ulthuan after him. Notable feats include creating the big swirly thing the races are all fighting over and taming freakin' dragons.
4. Teclis. He burns entire armies alive, and was able to defeat Malekith in a magical duel.
5. Nagash. Was a very powerful Necromancer in his own right... but he dead. And he'll stay dead for a good long while. You could argue that he was *that* close to raising all of Nehekhara's dead, but he was using the Black Pyramid of Nagash as a focus to do that. And he lost to the Priest Kings of Nehekhara.
6. Malekith. Teclis lite.
7. Drachenfels. For those who don't know, he is the most ancient being on the planet. By far. Before the Old Ones arrived. He was an incredibly powerful wizard before the polar gates collapsed (so no winds of magic for him), he journeyed into the warp to meet the Chaos Gods himself, before declaring himself their superior and demanding tributes of Daemons. Which the Chaos Gods actually accepted instead of turning him into a Chaos Spawn. Of course, the reason why he's not at the top is because his canonicity is questionable and... he dead. For good.
8. Other 2nd generation Slann. Because the fat frogmen know their magic.
9. Pureblood Vampires, like Neferata, Arkhan, Luthor Harkon, Ushoran, Vashenash (aka Vlad von Carstein, but that's debated.), and the Necrarch sire whose name I forget. Their magic was easily able to animate entire armies of undead, etc etc. But of course, they got defeated by the Priest Kings of Nehekhara as well.
9. Other Elven casters. They're old, and they're good at magic.

Wouldnt Thanquol be around 7-9? The guy made Teclis nervous.