High elf gondor helmet design

[masterslay]

Who made this design first, lotr or warhammer :P?

[Rhedd]

Warhammer.
It's been around since at the 80s, at least. I started playing 40k with Rogue Trader, way back then, and the Eldar had pointy helmets that were the scifi version of the High Elf helm, so they'd been around since before that.

There's a slim possibility that there's some old sketch by Tolkien or something that everything is based on that I've never seen, but barring that; Warhammer.

[Zav]

And Lords of the Rings was written between 1937 and 1949.

EDIT: he could have depicted the helmets?

[masterslay]

ah okay, i see thx for answer :)

[Rhedd]

Originally posted by Zav:

And Lords of the Rings was written between 1937 and 1949.

EDIT: he could have depicted the helmets?

I don't think so, but if anyone can prove me wrong, I'd love to see it.

[Zav]

Originally posted by Rhedd:

Originally posted by Zav:

And Lords of the Rings was written between 1937 and 1949.

EDIT: he could have depicted the helmets?

I don't think so, but if anyone can prove me wrong, I'd love to see it.

Same. We need experts!

[White, the Loiterer]

Tolkien never put much description to the helmets, mostly he just focused on the fact that the Gondor soldiers wore chainmail.

Though he has claimed that their look was more similar to the Mediteeranean prior to the dark ages, which in turn would not mean tall helmets in the manner that we see in the films.

http://middle-earth.xenite.org/how-did-tolkien-envision-gondorian-armor/

[Ysthrall]

Tolkein was really light on firm descriptions and armour details.

Boromir, for example, is described as "tall and proud". That's it.

The only thing that's consistent in a lot of adaptations of his work is the west door of Moria. Becasue he actually did a dman illustration of it....

I think that the helmets of the courtyard guard in Minas Tirith are described as "tall and winged in mithril, as of the style of ancient Numenor."

[Grigorim]

It's a prime example of recursive ripping off, lotr stealing from warhammer stealing from lotr

[Maschinengewehr]

Originally posted by Grigorim:

It's a prime example of recursive ripping off, lotr stealing from warhammer stealing from lotr

Um Warhammer was based off Tolkien with grimdark and violence ramped up to 11.

[Grigorim]

Originally posted by Maschinengewehr:

Originally posted by Grigorim:

It's a prime example of recursive ripping off, lotr stealing from warhammer stealing from lotr

Um Warhammer was based off Tolkien with grimdark and violence ramped up to 11.

And it's glorious

[Suspense]

Originally posted by Zav:

And Lords of the Rings was written between 1937 and 1949.

EDIT: he could have depicted the helmets?

The movies (which is what the similarities are referring to) was not made until the 2000s which is after the original High Elf model designs and Tolkein didn't really detail appearance of anything really. Warhammer did steal concepts from Tolkein but so has every single fantasy series since Tolkein. Anything that has orcs in it in anyway is a "rip off" of tolkein because unlike Elves, Dwarves, and goblins, orcs were entirely an invention of Tolkein in Lord of the Rings.

In short, High Elf is a rip off in concept.

Appearance is not.

[Maschinengewehr]

Originally posted by Grigorim:

Originally posted by Maschinengewehr:

Um Warhammer was based off Tolkien with grimdark and violence ramped up to 11.

And it's glorious

Indeed. I like both universes.

[Kamamura]

Originally posted by Grigorim:

It's a prime example of recursive ripping off, lotr stealing from warhammer stealing from lotr

Tolkien did not "invent" elves nor trolls, he merely "borrowed" them from nordic mythology. You could argue that Gandalf is a "stolen" Odin, and there was actually a Slavic god called Radegast.

These inspirations are as old as written history of mankind, older mythos inspires newer one, etc.

For ecample nordic mythos has three versions from different time periods - Older Edda, Poetic Edda, and Prosaic Edda, the last written in 13th century when nordic paganism was mainly a thing of the past, and it's heavily christianized and re-interpretted.

In a similar way, the contemporary "fantasy" genre heavily borrows from Tolkien, because he revitalized this ancient mythology in a fantastic way (he was an academic expert on history and languages, after all).

I would not call it "stealing".

[Maschinengewehr]

Originally posted by Kamamura:

Originally posted by Grigorim:

It's a prime example of recursive ripping off, lotr stealing from warhammer stealing from lotr

Tolkien did not "invent" elves nor trolls, he merely "borrowed" them from nordic mythology. You could argue that Gandalf is a "stolen" Odin, and there was actually a Slavic god called Radegast.

These inspirations are as old as written history of mankind, older mythos inspires newer one, etc.

For ecample nordic mythos has three versions from different time periods - Older Edda, Poetic Edda, and Prosaic Edda, the last written in 13th century when nordic paganism was mainly a thing of the past, and it's heavily christianized and re-interpretted.

In a similar way, the contemporary "fantasy" genre heavily borrows from Tolkien, because he revitalized this ancient mythology in a fantastic way (he was an academic expert on history and languages, after all).

I would not call it "stealing".

"Heavily inspired by" is more apt.