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Please don't speak for 'people' unless you know a LOT of them.
The End Times had a good start. There was progress in the timeline and so forth. We had the rather interesting (to me) idea that one of the most evil creatures ever (Nagash) was going to be the only one strong enough to resist the surge of Chaos. Then some really stupid stuff happened.
It culminated with Grimgor Ironhide, the baddest Ork warboss ever, defeating Archeon the Everchose, leader of the united Chaos forces, by LITERALLY kicking him in the nards.
The world ended pretty much right there. Best example of 'writers having no clue' since Lost.
That's why you don't read the curated and succintly sumarised wikia and read the actual books.
Because they are a mess, and because you can't have the same context. For someone who was in the universe for years reading every bit of lore you can, End Times was an abortion of cosmic proportions no two ways about it. The writing was beyond retarded, they straight up killed a lot of major factions before the apocalypse even got on the road (TKs were wiped out and integrated into Nagash's party, lizardmen were nuked by the skaven before they could do anything, bretonia was wiped out off-screen), not to mention the epic levels of brainfart malekith was in the End Times. Sure, a neat ideea in theory, IF ONLY we did not have the sundering, the elf civil war and the invasion of ulthuan plus many other tid-bits of lore that show that malekith is indeed a giant straight up evil ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who consorts with and uses no less than slaneeshi demon legions in his service trying to conquer ulthuan. To then pretend malekith is indeed a good guy is just ... stupid.
The End Times was rushed, written in complete ignorance of the previous universe's lore, wiped out a lot of factions, and it was obviously just a stupid atempt to copyright everything as well as bring space marines into the setting with no concern for how things actualy work and WHY fantasy was it's own special universe. In that regard, Dark Millenium in 40k was executed with a lot more care and respect for the universe than End Times ever was.
And just to add salt to the wound: when Age of (S)hitmar came out, it did away with factions that people used to play for no reason! My Tomb Kings army with glorious Settra leading it became little more than dust magnets on my shelf. The Empire while technicaly still existing, has all but been written out of the lore and repalced with the sigmarines, turning the setting from grim but heroic, with normal humans standing their ground against he odds against the chaos warriors and their legions of demons and monsters into a setting of saturday morning beefy pastel colored superheroes fighting equaly pastel and shiny "chaos" warriors. 40k can at least keep the marine on marine conflict grity and the marines are notably human and few, but the sigmarines are legions of perfect angels. It's stupid, it's childish, it was born out of one of the worst examples of rushed writting in recent history and oh yeah it made a lot of factions no longer exist that people loved and played.
That's why people hate the End Times.
Not that End Times did not have SOME good ideeas. The Verminlords were a great ideea and very skaveny in execution (cowardly greater demons ftw), Settra's bits were amazingly well done and fitting, a warning sign that we will never see Settra again in hindsight, Malekith would have been a good ideea IF they retconned the entirety of malekith's history. But overall ... it's crap in execution, crap in concept and crap in it's outcome.
The world didnt blow up because Archaon got kicked in the nuts by Grimgor (which was later retconned to Grimgor headbutting him and smashing one of the eyes of Ed Sheerian, to which Archaon replied by unleashing the greater daemon contained within Kingslayer upon Grimgor, killing him). It was Mannfred literally backstabbing Balthasar Gelt as he was attempting to close the void under Middenheim because...reasons.
Jesus Christ.
First of all, when people use the term "people", they mean "the vast majority". Referring to popular reaction. So you can ♥♥♥♥ right off with your attitude, because you are no one important.
Second, you confuse End Times with the old, non-canon, Storm of Chaos. And you know nothing about both.
Grimgor "defeats" (right...) Archaon only in the old Storm of Chaos. And NOT by "literally kicking him in the nards". He uses and headbutt. And I won't even go into detail on why it's completely irrelevant, since it was a complete sucker punch after archaon had just wooped the ass of the champion of Sigmar and Luthor. The myth about Grimgor kicking Archaon in the nuts is widespread among nabs new to the setting, who keep repeating it and passing it on as a perpetual inaccuracy.
In the actual End Times a LOT more stuff happens. As for Grimgor vs Archaon, Archaon kills Grimgor during their duel by separating his head from his body.
Overall, End Times was rushed in parts, certain loose ends and storylines had to get the short stick. But it was an interesting setting.
The immense hate that followed it is 90% due to the fact it obliterated the decade old and beloved WFB setting, replacing it with some insipid ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
Let's not even mention what they did to Malus Darkblade.....
But I entirely agree because the scorched earth salt and piss on the ground approach is why I have to put on my asbestos suit whenever I suggest AoS
1, People lost boat loads of money on minatures.
2, The lore was completely trashed rather than cherry picked.
3, Lots of stories made no sense, or characters were just missed entirely.
4, It heralded in a more casual version of the game.
Yeah it was like mannfred just suddenly broke character and joined chaos.
And this is why I always made a point of murdering his ass when playing Vlad. Don't care if he's a legendary lord you could eventually get for yourself, some things are just not worth it!
It would've been more believable to have the Skaven turn out to be the good guys, honestly.
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Oh yeah, that was pretty stupid.
"Hey guys, I know I launched a civil war after poisoning most of your nobility, tired to invade Ulthuan quite a few times, almost sank the island once, ruined your race and dwarves by setting them up against each other, tried to kill the Everqueen a couple of times, unleashed a few demons on you because why not, but it turns out I'm a good guy! So, can I be Phoenix King now?"
"... Say what?"
If, as the lore claims, all of that was a test to assess if he would be a worthy Phoenix King, he straight up bombed it into oblivion.
Well they didn't kill off Malekith. He died with everyone else at the end.
So much this.
I actually used to like Mannfred back in the day. You know, all the way back when he looked like a Bela Lugosi type vampire. But since he turned into an incompetent traitor in the end times i only have disgust for him. He is the one character that made the Age of Sigmar possible in the lore. Everybody, even the undead, came together to try to save the world, but that ♥♥♥♥ had to screw it all up.
Vlad is and was always infinitely more awesome than Manlet von Carstein anyway.
Malekith did not even die, as far as a know. He physically merged with his dragon and became the god of all elves, or something stupid like that.