Blood and gore obsession

[Canis Lupus]

Can someone explain to me why some total war players are so obsessed with the game having blood and gore? Every single total war game for the past few years a portion of the fanbase has thrown a huge tantrum about blood and gore not being included in the base game, it's only a cosmetic thing so why the big deal?

[Zorlond]

"Blood for the Blood God" kinda loses all meaning if nobody actually bleeds. Which Tzeench might actually do for a lark, but only until Khorne punches him in the face again.

Historical war is a bloody and violent thing. Warhammer is an even more bloody and violent place, as it's an exaggeration of the darkest parts of fantasy. It's not really an obsession, it's more that it cheapens the experience to shove blood and gore under the rug to satisfy a few knee-jerk parents who shouldn't be buying the game for their kids anyways.

[Crowkeeper]

Originally posted by Zorlond:

"Blood for the Blood God" kinda loses all meaning if nobody actually bleeds. Which Tzeench might actually do for a lark, but only until Khorne punches him in the face again.

Historical war is a bloody and violent thing. Warhammer is an even more bloody and violent place, as it's an exaggeration of the darkest parts of fantasy. It's not really an obsession, it's more that it cheapens the experience to shove blood and gore under the rug to satisfy a few knee-jerk parents who shouldn't be buying the game for their kids anyways.

All irrelevant to the overall gameplay.

[Asuzu]

Originally posted by Canis Lupus:

Can someone explain to me why some total war players are so obsessed with the game having blood and gore? Every single total war game for the past few years a portion of the fanbase has thrown a huge tantrum about blood and gore not being included in the base game, it's only a cosmetic thing so why the big deal?

Because it annoys me when my Dark Elves scream "Blood looks nice on the snow" , but there isn't any blood...

[Zorlond]

Originally posted by Nitrotrinadium:

Originally posted by Zorlond:

"Blood for the Blood God" kinda loses all meaning if nobody actually bleeds. Which Tzeench might actually do for a lark, but only until Khorne punches him in the face again.

Historical war is a bloody and violent thing. Warhammer is an even more bloody and violent place, as it's an exaggeration of the darkest parts of fantasy. It's not really an obsession, it's more that it cheapens the experience to shove blood and gore under the rug to satisfy a few knee-jerk parents who shouldn't be buying the game for their kids anyways.

All irrelevant to the overall gameplay.

At the end of the day, games are interactive experiences. You can have games that are nothing but mechanics (in fact several games are out there which are littlerally nothing but "move this square somewhere"), but Total War isn't one of them. Which means all the visuals either add to or detract from the experience. It's called immersion, and yes, it's a factor.

[TheLoneCenturion]

Originally posted by Nitrotrinadium:

Originally posted by redsky1335:

Look at my hours spent in TW. I am NOT a "casual gamer". My answer for why gore is important- it's part of the grim setting of Warhammer. Brutal, vicious, absurdly violent to the point of parody; these are the things that make WH stand out as a franchise.

I think a lot of players might be more upset about the lack of gore here because it's a blatant DOWNGRADE from the previous entry. People loved the blood and gore of WH:TW 1 for a variety of reasons, so forgive them for being upset after paying $60 and expecting something similar/better, only to be disappointed.

Gore in the first entry told a story on the battlefield. You can see where the most intense fighting was happening, where the most powerful warriors were fighting. As they get coated in gore, you feel like these fighters are really getting stuck in. When you take that away, it removes a degree of drama and makes the entire experience less visceral and satisfying.

In a game, is it more satisfying to hit your enemy in the head with a sword and just watch them fall over as if you punched them? Or is it more satisfying and engaging to see their head split in half via blade and watch their brain spill out of their skull when they hit the ground in a spray of blood? That answer should be obvious.

People who got upset over blood and gore not being in WH2 clearly weren't paying attention. "Casual gamer" is more of a mindset anyway, not really how often you play.

Bud, its ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ warhammer... What ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game, book, video, anything really about warhammer doesnt have obscene violence and blood. I mean FFS they yell "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD" and in like half of their descriptions for chaos and dark elves it talks about how they flay and maim their victims to the point that they are not even recognisable. Anyone who doesn't understand such a simple trademark of the grim dark setting in warhammer fantasy and 40k honestly has not seen enough warhammer in general.

Sorry for blowing up on everyone with this but cmon, this is just dumb that people dont see how important blood and gore can be to a franchise like warhammer.

[peremptor]

Would be nice for there to be setting options so you can adjust the gore. Too little and it feels fake... too much and it feels even faker.

[TheLoneCenturion]

Originally posted by peremptor:

Would be nice for there to be setting options so you can adjust the gore. Too little and it feels fake... too much and it feels even faker.

Just get a mod for it, thats what I did to make it feel just right.

[Crowkeeper]

Originally posted by Zorlond:

Originally posted by Nitrotrinadium:

All irrelevant to the overall gameplay.

At the end of the day, games are interactive experiences. You can have games that are nothing but mechanics (in fact several games are out there which are littlerally nothing but "move this square somewhere"), but Total War isn't one of them. Which means all the visuals either add to or detract from the experience. It's called immersion, and yes, it's a factor.

There is nothing interactive about blood and gore. There is no practical purpose for blood and gore, this is objective fact, immersion be damned.

Originally posted by TheLoneCenturion:

Originally posted by Nitrotrinadium:

People who got upset over blood and gore not being in WH2 clearly weren't paying attention. "Casual gamer" is more of a mindset anyway, not really how often you play.

Bud, its ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ warhammer... What ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game, book, video, anything really about warhammer doesnt have obscene violence and blood. I mean FFS they yell "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD" and in like half of their descriptions for chaos and dark elves it talks about how they flay and maim their victims to the point that they are not even recognisable. Anyone who doesn't understand such a simple trademark of the grim dark setting in warhammer fantasy and 40k honestly has not seen enough warhammer in general.

Sorry for blowing up on everyone with this but cmon, this is just dumb that people dont see how important blood and gore can be to a franchise like warhammer.

The blood and gore is important to you, yes, but not to the functionality of the game. This is the whole point of my argument.

[lPaladinl]

For me, it's not that they didn't include blood and gore, it's that they decided it was a feature worth selling as a DLC.

To me, that kind of graphics option is something that should be included in the game for free as apart of the release package, not something to be purchased. Even if you have the option to turn it off, I think the option of turning it on/off should not be a DLC package.

So while I don't really care if a game has blood or not, I think the principle of selling a blood and gore option is a greedy endeavor. Paying money for that option is not improving the option it's self, there's no reason why that option cannot be included in with the base game, other than they want money for almost zero work on their part to make it a DLC.

The only other reasons I can imagine are that it is done to cheat the rating systems of strict countries, like Germany and Australia, but then why they don't have their own gimped version of the game as a consequence for their government's decisions like most other games is beyond me. Why should we pay money to help the company sell more copies in other regions we're not all apart of?

Maybe it's just to keep the T-Rating by the same idea, cheating the ratings systems... again why should we be paying money to help them sell more copies with less restrictions at our expense? It's anti-consumer, and just speaks to how broken the system is if selling DLC excludes the game from a changed rating, even if it modifies the base content.

[Crowkeeper]

Originally posted by lPaladinl:

For me, it's not that they didn't include blood and gore, it's that they decided it was a feature worth selling as a DLC.

To me, that kind of graphics option is something that should be included in the game for free as apart of the release package, not something to be purchased. Even if you have the option to turn it off, I think the option of turning it on/off should not be a DLC package.

So while I don't really care if a game has blood or not, I think the principle of selling a blood and gore option is a greedy endeavor. Paying money for that option is not improving the option it's self, there's no reason why that option cannot be included in with the base game, other than they want money for almost zero work on their part to make it a DLC.

The only other reasons I can imagine are that it is done to cheat the rating systems of strict countries, like Germany and Australia, but then why they don't have their own gimped version of the game as a consequence for their government's decisions like most other games is beyond me. Why should we pay money to help the company sell more copies in other regions we're not all apart of?

Maybe it's just to keep the T-Rating by the same idea, cheating the ratings systems... again why should we be paying money to help them sell more copies with less restrictions at our expense? It's anti-consumer, and just speaks to how broken the system is if selling DLC excludes the game from a changed rating, even if it modifies the base content.

Very well thought out argument. I mostly agree with all of it.

[VoiD]

It is the single most important DLC in the game, variety doesn't matter if every battle looks like ♥♥♥♥, might as well just play EU4 instead.

[Crowkeeper]

Originally posted by VoiD:

It is the single most important DLC in the game, variety doesn't matter if every battle looks like ♥♥♥♥, might as well just play EU4 instead.

"Variety doesn't matter," implying every battle looks like ♥♥♥♥ without blood. Nice troll. 9/10

[TheLoneCenturion]

Originally posted by Nitrotrinadium:

Originally posted by Zorlond:

At the end of the day, games are interactive experiences. You can have games that are nothing but mechanics (in fact several games are out there which are littlerally nothing but "move this square somewhere"), but Total War isn't one of them. Which means all the visuals either add to or detract from the experience. It's called immersion, and yes, it's a factor.

There is nothing interactive about blood and gore. There is no practical purpose for blood and gore, this is objective fact, immersion be damned.

Originally posted by TheLoneCenturion:

Bud, its ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ warhammer... What ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game, book, video, anything really about warhammer doesnt have obscene violence and blood. I mean FFS they yell "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD" and in like half of their descriptions for chaos and dark elves it talks about how they flay and maim their victims to the point that they are not even recognisable. Anyone who doesn't understand such a simple trademark of the grim dark setting in warhammer fantasy and 40k honestly has not seen enough warhammer in general.

Sorry for blowing up on everyone with this but cmon, this is just dumb that people dont see how important blood and gore can be to a franchise like warhammer.

The blood and gore is important to you, yes, but not to the functionality of the game. This is the whole point of my argument.

You say it has nothing to do with the game but the game is "Warhammer" which is insanely violent by nature. TBH with your argument why don't we remove all the nice visual effects and animations from the game since they are not needed for the game to function like an RTS/TBS game.

We might as well play the tabletop at that point lol

[VoiD]

Originally posted by Nitrotrinadium:

Originally posted by VoiD:

It is the single most important DLC in the game, variety doesn't matter if every battle looks like ♥♥♥♥, might as well just play EU4 instead.

"Variety doesn't matter," implying every battle looks like ♥♥♥♥ without blood. Nice troll. 9/10

It does.

[Crowkeeper]

Originally posted by TheLoneCenturion:

Originally posted by Nitrotrinadium:

There is nothing interactive about blood and gore. There is no practical purpose for blood and gore, this is objective fact, immersion be damned.



The blood and gore is important to you, yes, but not to the functionality of the game. This is the whole point of my argument.

You say it has nothing to do with the game but the game is "Warhammer" which is insanely violent by nature. TBH with your argument why don't we remove all the nice visual effects and animations from the game since they are not needed for the game to function like an RTS/TBS game.

There are plenty of people that would gladly play this game on their 5+ year old PC with all the "shiny" things removed. Again, it is unnecessary to the actual gameplay, this is fact.

Originally posted by VoiD:

Originally posted by Nitrotrinadium:

"Variety doesn't matter," implying every battle looks like ♥♥♥♥ without blood. Nice troll. 9/10

It does.

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