Whats the deal with those ancient pillars of light?

[<color=#CD3210>Lunatic]

I'm sorta new to AC (played the 1st didnt like it, never played any of the AC till now).

That being said, i'm upto the last target out of 4 after signing up with cleopatra. The Crocodile.
I'm level 36 because i have been exploring every possible '?' location i can find and even went to a few blacked out territories for fun.

In my adventures i have come across 4 additional 'futuristic / ancient' tombs inside other tombs, filled with carbon and silica and having a pillar that talks to you, mostly some chick explaining the concept of time.

I have a feeling this has nothing to do with the main storyline or possibly more to do with the chick in present day using some sort of time machine memory bank capsule (again not familiar with the series, as far as i understand it, some people are using these pods to go back in time to play the assassins in each game, dont really care though).

So anyway, whats the deal with these chambers and the time story? Is there also these chambers in the other AC titles? or is this a new thing?

No spoilers on AC origins main storyline for bayek please.

[[ICM] Keyser Söze]

Yes, it about the background of every AC.
You alaways play someone who explore others memories in order to help them in the current present to find stuff or to understand other stuff. When i say other memories i mean sleeping in the strange things and living as bayek for exemple

There are two differend groups of people who visit the memories of ancester.
But the pillar have nothing to do with either of those two groups.

Its parts of the great truth, the origins, of all that stuff you were looking for, and why those two different group fight nowadays.


Ive played every ac and i cannot really say who is talking and about what.
I only know what she say refers to character and moments in other ac, and that she is kinda linked to the war opposing the two groups who explore memeories of the ancesters

[<color=#CD3210>Lunatic]

I just recently unlocked the ISU outfit from the pillar in the sphinx. I have a feeling now that what they were trying to say was that up until now, those capsules that allow people to relive the memories of past descendents, were only able to view the past without making any changes, but in ac origins the new unique pod that the girl in the present is using is different and allows the user to change history.

I might be over thinking it, but that's essentially what i thought when i heard the sphinx narrator say that time could be changed.

[⭐Rated 18+⭐]

Originally posted by Helghast Agent:

I just recently unlocked the ISU outfit from the pillar in the sphinx. I have a feeling now that what they were trying to say was that up until now, those capsules that allow people to relive the memories of past descendents, were only able to view the past without making any changes, but in ac origins the new unique pod that the girl in the present is using is different and allows the user to change history.

I might be over thinking it, but that's essentially what i thought when i heard the sphinx narrator say that time could be changed.

She also say, regardless, time will correct itself. in other words, no matter how much we change things, it will always go back to the same destination, we are merely delaying the inevitable.

Its like throwing a rock in a still water...only to have a temporary ripple effect, which then stop and continue to be still.

[ClancyDamon]

Originally posted by ⭐Rated 18+⭐Fnatic⭐:

Its like throwing a rock in a still water...only to have a temporary ripple effect, which then stop and continue to be still.

However in theory, if you keep throwing rocks and never stop, then the water will never be still. If you could do things to delay the inevitable (whatever that is, since I think the solar flare problem is now done) then you can keep doing doing those things in perpetuity.

[duEprocEss]

"don't really care"
But here you are asking about it all. You make me laugh, sir!

[Darth Revan]

Originally posted by Helghast Agent:

I just recently unlocked the ISU outfit from the pillar in the sphinx. I have a feeling now that what they were trying to say was that up until now, those capsules that allow people to relive the memories of past descendents, were only able to view the past without making any changes, but in ac origins the new unique pod that the girl in the present is using is different and allows the user to change history.

I might be over thinking it, but that's essentially what i thought when i heard the sphinx narrator say that time could be changed.

No spoilers about ac origins here but minor spoilers for older ac games, nothing big, just a few general lore things.


no, you cant change history, Assassins Creed is build on the idea that like some animals humans have the memories of thair ancestors in thair DNA, the animus does not more than let you see/experience/explore this memories within a simulation, you can manipulate the simulation but that does not change anything in the real world because it only shows you your ancestors memories or with the newer models also the memories of someone elses ancestors in the DNA of you or other persons if you have samples of thair DNA.

You cant change history because you are not really there, i cant see how you should be able to change history out from a simulation. The new animus does not transport you back in time.

The ISU armor and the other futuristic stuff is what is left from the first civilization which was named ISU and which left the world a very long time ago.

At the most games which contained messages the messages from them are not meant for the historical figure but for the person who use the animus in the real world like desmond for example because they knew the future and wanted to prevent certain events in the future by giving desmond knowlege about certain events and locations for example. I dont know for who the messages in AC Origins are meant so far.

if you are interested in those things than you can read about them here but those pages contain spoilers for all AC Games:

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Animus

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Isu

[<color=#CD3210>Lunatic]

Originally posted by duEprocEss:

"don't really care"
But here you are asking about it all. You make me laugh, sir!

(you didnt see the captions?)

[||X|L||VI|I||]

basically just a bunch of nonsense. the AC futuristic background story is heading nowhere at this point. its all there to remind you that you are still playing inside the AC universe. i thought the Layla sequences were so pointless they couldve just added the Codex in the game and include more ancient egypt stories instead.

[Dweller Beyond the Threshold]

I'm very intrigued to hear the pillars actually refer to future events about Desmond (whose the modern guy playing as Altair and Ezio in the first 4 games). The pillars are from 49BC, Desmond is from 2012. So the pillar basically saw into the future and knew exactly what was going to happen?

[Darth Revan]

Originally posted by Tyrion_Lord_Imp:

I'm very intrigued to hear the pillars actually refer to future events about Desmond (whose the modern guy playing as Altair and Ezio in the first 4 games). The pillars are from 49BC, Desmond is from 2012. So the pillar basically saw into the future and knew exactly what was going to happen?

The pillars are way older than 49 BC and yes, some ISU were able to look into the future by using a technology called the eye

You learn this during the older assassins creed games, mainly AC 1, 2, brotherhood, revelations and 3.

[Argent Defender]

Originally posted by Legatus Lucanus:

You cant change history because you are not really there, i cant see how you should be able to change history out from a simulation.

Here's the thing. Absturgo built the animus based off of Isu / First Civ tech. We know for certain that the First Civ had technology that allowed them to project themselves into the future to communicate with Desmond. It's not beyond the realm of belief that the animus could project a person BACK in time.

It's my belief that Ubisoft's end-goal with AC is that they'll release a game set during the time of the First Civ, and the player character will be either Adam or Eve (or both considering what they did with the Frye twins). The goal would be to change something in the past in order to stop whatever happens in the present (Juno's still active even if they've dropped that plot point for now).

[The Father]

if you are not planning to play earlier AC games, here is a story recap vid to get to understand whats going on:

https://youtu.be/n1aTrx-8ySM

[Darth Revan]

Originally posted by Argent Defender:

Originally posted by Legatus Lucanus:

You cant change history because you are not really there, i cant see how you should be able to change history out from a simulation.

Here's the thing. Absturgo built the animus based off of Isu / First Civ tech. We know for certain that the First Civ had technology that allowed them to project themselves into the future to communicate with Desmond. It's not beyond the realm of belief that the animus could project a person BACK in time.

It's my belief that Ubisoft's end-goal with AC is that they'll release a game set during the time of the First Civ, and the player character will be either Adam or Eve (or both considering what they did with the Frye twins). The goal would be to change something in the past in order to stop whatever happens in the present (Juno's still active even if they've dropped that plot point for now).

Something like that would for shure be possible but not with the animus. That's not how the animus works and not how the conzept of the animus is presented so far.

The current models just let you experience memmorys which are stored in your or with the newer models someone else's dna. What you do within this simulation has no impact on the real timeline.

The animus is like a interactive DVD player who shows you what's on the DVD but within a simulation you can experience and manipulate. (Not the best explanation but the best I can come with at this specific moment)

But maybe something like that is possible one day with a newer version of the animus, within the games they improve it continuously, although this would not fit the original idea of the animus like it is presented in the games.

Just because it's based on isu technology it does not automatically mean that it is based on the same technology the isu used to bring the messages to us, it could be, but it must not be. :)

[EbonHawk]

Originally posted by Legatus Lucanus:

Just because it's based on isu technology it does not automatically mean that it is based on the same technology the isu used to bring the messages to us, it could be, but it must not be. :)

exactly..

All we can do is look, can't change things permanently with even the most recent version of the Animus. We can see where stuff is located in the past, learn who did what, but we can't change any of it. It is just a simulation.

[Goilveig]

Originally posted by Legatus Lucanus:

Something like that would for shure be possible but not with the animus. That's not how the animus works and not how the conzept of the animus is presented so far.

The current models just let you experience memmorys which are stored in your or with the newer models someone else's dna. What you do within this simulation has no impact on the real timeline.

The Isu recordings state that Layla's Animus is not bound by the same rules as Abstergo's, and straight up imply that her Animus is actually capable of rewriting history as well as experiencing it. ("Make possible a decision that defies the order of things that are"). And he draws a contrast between Layla's Animus and Abstergo's, which he says suffers the fatal flaw that "it allows you to witness but not alter".

It starts at 3:08 in this segment (spoilers if you haven't gotten the Isu armor):
https://youtu.be/rm2LklKoku0?t=188