Appreciating the accuracy of celestial objects (not just constellations)

[ozzyoscy]

I was climbing a cliff when I noticed The Pleiades:

https://i.imgur.com/fnRmMJc.jpg

I haven't gone so far as to calculate if their location is accurate for 49 BC Egypt though. In real life, its stars are blue, but presumably Egypt's climate makes them appear redder.

Haven't looked for anything else, I wonder if Andromeda's up there.

[Schizophrenic Fox]

>:o

[ozzyoscy]

Originally posted by Fox:

>:o

Writing is a form of communication, so I'd appreciate if you could communicate in a normal standard rather than a 'face' and leave it open to interpretation...

[Danny in Space]

Originally posted by ozzyoscy:

Originally posted by Fox:

>:o

Writing is a form of communication, so I'd appreciate if you could communicate in a normal standard rather than a 'face' and leave it open to interpretation...

[UbiCosmos]

Hello,

Wow nice observation, thanks for sharing OP! I'll have to keep an eye out in the night sky next time I play Origins!

[[BRE] Léonard "le Fol"]

Glad to see that there are educated players not only playing (on that there is no doubt) but still posting in forums, it's very rare nowadays. I am also a ... skies enthusiast, surely less than you.
Yes also GR Wildlands has a rendering of the sky and calculates it upside down since it's set in bolivia. On this stuff there is good research, but Ubisoft is lacking many important things development to ensure really good games happen.
I consider the simple game of FC Primal a pearl (played zero HUD, survival, permadeath, extreme difficulty).

In terms of orientation, there u use primitively just he mountain position (or u have to go in the map) I hate to interrupt the game constantly pressing map (it's like receiving a punch on the head all the time - i played MAD MAX in no hud which is possible in camera mode and had often to go in the map.. and it was ruining the fluidity.. but if u plan and draw a map on your desktop (pen and paper) on the excursion u will do before going back home and "extract" ... then it can work ...

It's fun to just go around sometime get wrong the direction or the pen and paper plan and just end up into an adventure totally different to what u had tasked yourself for

The stars can always reserve something good to you not just death.

Gotta say I have never checked the sky besides taking pics to the constellation short cut scene that are played when those mile stone points are "solved"... (puzzle stuff). Cool and naturalistic experience... (contemplative).

I love the desert design and what happens in there just like when u are in the big sea and just float (in Odyssey... but Just that in Odyssey.. not much more)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1663237320


Unfortunately steam does not allow to take pics or have a album of a game u dnt own on steam (origins) nor view a completely developed library \ store page despite I own it on uplay.. because Gabe Newell has a mindset for Soviet Union or extreme capitalism, so they have not thought that leaving people posting pics of games not owned in the Steam monpolistic library could help community grow (and also their freaking sales and cash flow to grow)...

I know of "artwork" but still u can't post it as the game it belongs to.
This stuff in 2020 means steam is just an undeveloped place for milking ppl and the level of community "non people" it hosts is no surprise to me.

Yes Steam mod, read this and think about it, since u don'tallow me to write to you nor listen or ban at every single comma you don't like.

[EbonHawk]

Originally posted by ozzyoscy:

I was climbing a cliff when I noticed The Pleiades:

https://i.imgur.com/fnRmMJc.jpg

I haven't gone so far as to calculate if their location is accurate for 49 BC Egypt though. In real life, its stars are blue, but presumably Egypt's climate makes them appear redder.

Haven't looked for anything else, I wonder if Andromeda's up there.

The constellation should be, but not the galaxy. It's pretty accurate as far as the stars go, and I've been into astronomy for about 40 years at least. All of the constellations are there, Orion is very noticeable. I don't think any of the nebula are rendered though. Not that I've seen anyway. The Great Nebula in Orion should be very prominent, as well as the Andromeda galaxy, but they were left out.

I posted an almost exact same thread back when the game was released, because I noticed almost immediately that the sky was an actual sky, and not just random specks thrown about. But except for the stars, constellations, the Milky Way, and a few star clusters, none of the planets or nebula are shown.

Here's one pic in the game of Orion. I can't find my original thread, but it's around somewhere. Anyway, where the "sword" hangs down from Orion's belt, there should be a huge nebula that would be very visible in Ancient Egyptian times, but it's not shown. Still, kudos to the design team for using the real sky!
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1268798661

AFAIK, Odyssey didn't use a realistic model for the night sky and it was a random set of stars. Would have to check though.

[[BRE] Léonard "le Fol"]

To do this accurately you need every night to have a rotation of planets and stars and comets, not only the "layer" of the famous messier objects etc. And also you cannot have always the main object (the Moon) the main satellite shining the night in a twilight light blue.

The main problem of this game is giving to streamers a handheld game that they can simply stream and let other people watch, instead to focus on the game experience of the player.

We are actually playing these days de-potentiated games that offer simplified experiences instead to bring it deep to the bone (despite they can do that). The night should be "blue" \ dark, and the fire should be useful to englighten the sorroundings if not even have interactions with the NPCs (it does in Kingdom come deliverance: if u have no light u are a thief...)

Light pollution was probably equal to zero, maybe just near places with great Pyres for funerals or stuff that was running with wax but in general they could see tons of stuff that today people can see only 200 km far from places that do not respect anti pollution (For dark skies associations explain this if not books) norms. Places that respect norms anti pollution are maybe the 10% not even.. so people need to go really in wild areas or de populated areas to see how the ancient really saw the sky.

I think that not only andromeda or orion and maybe 100s other objects could be seen from the naked eye in the past.

Sorry for getting in the conversation again.

[EbonHawk]

Originally posted by Horsedancingwithcrow:

To do this accurately you need every night to have a rotation of planets and stars and comets, not only the "layer" of the famous messier objects etc.

Just a smudge here and there wouldn't have made much difference in rendering the night sky backdrop. Not talking about massive amounts of processing power to render full planetary and random object motion, just adding some of the more noticeable static objects.. The devs probably just didn't think about it, or care to add it, is all.

I'm amazed they got as much detail into the game as they did.

[[BRE] Léonard "le Fol"]

I just wish people posting content, because what you posted here is content, were populating more the game communities and at least also steam, because this helps a lot experiencing deeper when one plays games. Thanks.

ozzy OP author is of course included in this.

[ozzyoscy]

Originally posted by EbonHawk:

Originally posted by ozzyoscy:

I was climbing a cliff when I noticed The Pleiades:

https://i.imgur.com/fnRmMJc.jpg

I haven't gone so far as to calculate if their location is accurate for 49 BC Egypt though. In real life, its stars are blue, but presumably Egypt's climate makes them appear redder.

Haven't looked for anything else, I wonder if Andromeda's up there.

The constellation should be, but not the galaxy. It's pretty accurate as far as the stars go, and I've been into astronomy for about 40 years at least. All of the constellations are there, Orion is very noticeable. I don't think any of the nebula are rendered though. Not that I've seen anyway. The Great Nebula in Orion should be very prominent, as well as the Andromeda galaxy, but they were left out.

I posted an almost exact same thread back when the game was released, because I noticed almost immediately that the sky was an actual sky, and not just random specks thrown about. But except for the stars, constellations, the Milky Way, and a few star clusters, none of the planets or nebula are shown.

Here's one pic in the game of Orion. I can't find my original thread, but it's around somewhere. Anyway, where the "sword" hangs down from Orion's belt, there should be a huge nebula that would be very visible in Ancient Egyptian times, but it's not shown. Still, kudos to the design team for using the real sky!
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1268798661

AFAIK, Odyssey didn't use a realistic model for the night sky and it was a random set of stars. Would have to check though.

I immediately noticed Orion and Cassiopeia, but it wasn't until the end of the last DLC that I noticed Pleiades. Didn't think to look for Orion's nebula / cluster though.

[EbonHawk]

I can see the Hyades (aka the head of Taurus the Bull) in another pic too of the same part of the sky.