Ryzen 5 1600 gtx 1080 botleneck?!

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Damn is it normal that my ryzen 5 1600 seems to botleneck the gpu? the highest "botlneck" isaw was cpu usage 81% and gpu 75% is that called a botleneck? btw i oc the ryzen 5 1600 at 3.6 with only 1.180 v
it's a 6 cores 12 threads i can't believe it.... it's 20% better than an i7 7700k in multi threading... So does that mean that even the i7 7700k botleneck the gpu?
THe gpu usage never eached 100% or over 93% so... i don't know if i can call that botleneck and most of the time (90% of the time) the gpu usage is over than the cpu usage.
Is it normal? Is that a botlneck? Does the i7 7700k botleneck it too?
I have a psu of 650 by cooler master 2x4 DDR4 2400mhz nothing oc except cpu a bit

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I have a score of 72 fps in ultra/high settings (maximum settings but not custom one) in full hd

[MugHug]

Bottleneck calculator
http://thebottlenecker.com/

Old article but principals involved still relevant.
https://www.pcgamer.com/will-your-cpu-bottleneck-your-graphics-card/

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my ryzen 5 1600 and gpu has only 2% botleneck same than i7 7700k and i7 8700k has 9% botleneck...

[meep_meep]

Yes, your CPU is bottlenecking the GPU in this game. This game is so CPU-intensive that nearly any CPU will become the bottleneck at some point (i.e. in Alexandria), especially on Ultra High settings. Check out this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4zMnVmyBzo

Yep, the i7-8700K, literally the best gaming CPU on the market, is still bottlenecking the GTX 1080. That's even with the 8700K overclocked to 4.7Ghz AND with 4200Mhz RAM, which is a significant factor in this game.

That said, you shouldn't worry about it. Outside of this game, most of the time a Ryzen 1600 or 1700 will not bottleneck a GTX 1080 in any meaningful way. It might be a few FPS lower than with an 8700K but it'll still be great, especially at higher resolutions where the bottleneck gets pushed back to the GPU.

That said, if you can afford to buy faster RAM, I would do it. Faster memory not only makes a big difference for Ryzen, it's starting to make a big difference in many modern games regardless of CPU. Get at least DDR4-3000.

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i was going to get 2x8 DDR4 3200mhz for only 150 euro instead of 2x4 DDR4 2400 but i saw that the cpu could use max only 2666mhz.... But yet i saw many people using a ryzen 5 1600 with 3K2

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But thanks for the info i thought that my cpu had issues i was going to return it :)

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I just saw a benchmark of i7 7700k and it even botleneck a gtx 1070 in this game....

[meep_meep]

Originally posted by αѕhkαn:

i was going to get 2x8 DDR4 3200mhz for only 150 euro instead of 2x4 DDR4 2400 but i saw that the cpu could use max only 2666mhz.... But yet i saw many people using a ryzen 5 1600 with 3K2

2666 is the highest Ryzen will support without manually tweaking the RAM speed in the BIOS, but pretty much all B350 and X370 boards will actually support up to 3200 or even 3466. If you buy, say, DDR4-3200 RAM, you'll still have to go into the BIOS and manually set the speed using XMP/DOCP.

[FeilDOW]

Don't play at 1080p and take some pressure off the CPU. If you have a 1080p monitor use DSR to upsacle 1440p and see if it gets rid of your drops. My 1600@3.9 doesn't bottleneck at 4k with a 1080 ti but you might still see one at 1440p.

[meep_meep]

Originally posted by FeilDOW:

Don't play at 1080p and take some pressure off the CPU. If you have a 1080p monitor use VSR to upsacle 1440p and see if it gets rid of your drops. My 1600@3.9 doesn't bottleneck at 4k with a 1080 ti but you might still see one at 1440p.

Just turn up the in-game res scaler, it will work better. I'm playing at 1080p @ very high settings @ 140% resolution scale with my Ryzen 1700 and GTX 1080 and it works great.

[FeilDOW]

Originally posted by Bad Player:

Originally posted by FeilDOW:

Don't play at 1080p and take some pressure off the CPU. If you have a 1080p monitor use VSR to upsacle 1440p and see if it gets rid of your drops. My 1600@3.9 doesn't bottleneck at 4k with a 1080 ti but you might still see one at 1440p.

Just turn up the in-game res scaler, it will work better. I'm playing at 1080p @ very high settings @ 140% resolution scale with my Ryzen 1700 and GTX 1080 and it works great.

Ya that works too.

[MugHug]

Not sure where some get their information from, but the general consensus on the Internet is NO to the bottleneck in your situation.

If you want to know for a fact..... then download MSI Afterburner so you can use it's monitoring tool to log the CPU and GPU usage during gameplay. The usages will change based on display settings in your game and what game you are playing.

If the CPU is constantly hitting 100% and the graphics card is under 90% usage then you have a CPU bottleneck.

The other side is where your GPU is constantly at 100% and the CPU's usage is under 90% which means a GPU bottleneck.

Simple, sweet and no-misleading information.

On a sidenote I was running ELEX @ 1080p maxed out and the GPU was 100% while the CPU was only 20%. Now that sounds like a major bottleneck

[meep_meep]

Originally posted by MugHug:

Not sure where some get their information from, but the general consensus on the Internet is NO to the bottleneck in your situation.

If you want to know for a fact..... then download MSI Afterburner so you can use it's monitoring tool to log the CPU and GPU usage during gameplay. The usages will change based on display settings in your game and what game you are playing.

If the CPU is constantly hitting 100% and the graphics card is under 90% usage then you have a CPU bottleneck.

The other side is where your GPU is constantly at 100% and the CPU's usage is under 90% which means a GPU bottleneck.

Simple, sweet and no-misleading information.

On a sidenote I was running ELEX @ 1080p maxed out and the GPU was 100% while the CPU was only 20%. Now that sounds like a major bottleneck

Watch the video I posted, clearly showing a GTX 1080 being bottlenecked by an 8700K and 4200Mhz RAM in Alexandria. If the 8700K bottlenecks the GPU in this scene, then the 1600 will most certainly bottleneck the 1080 here (especially when considering Ryzen's higher core-to-core latency).

Yes it's 720p, but as a Ryzen 7 + GTX 1080 owner, I can confirm that even at 1080p with 140% resolution scale (so effectively 1440p) I still have a CPU bottleneck in Alexandria regardless of settings.

[MugHug]

Originally posted by Bad Player:

Originally posted by MugHug:

Not sure where some get their information from, but the general consensus on the Internet is NO to the bottleneck in your situation.

If you want to know for a fact..... then download MSI Afterburner so you can use it's monitoring tool to log the CPU and GPU usage during gameplay. The usages will change based on display settings in your game and what game you are playing.

If the CPU is constantly hitting 100% and the graphics card is under 90% usage then you have a CPU bottleneck.

The other side is where your GPU is constantly at 100% and the CPU's usage is under 90% which means a GPU bottleneck.

Simple, sweet and no-misleading information.

On a sidenote I was running ELEX @ 1080p maxed out and the GPU was 100% while the CPU was only 20%. Now that sounds like a major bottleneck

Watch the video I posted, clearly showing a GTX 1080 being bottlenecked by an 8700K and 4200Mhz RAM in Alexandria. If the 8700K bottlenecks the GPU in this scene, then the 1600 will most certainly bottleneck the 1080 here (especially when considering Ryzen's higher core-to-core latency).

Yes it's 720p, but as a Ryzen 7 + GTX 1080 owner, I can confirm that even at 1080p with 140% resolution scale (so effectively 1440p) I still have a CPU bottleneck in Alexandria regardless of settings.

Watched video and if anything it just adds to the weird confusion surrounding this game.

Apart from one or two clear conclusions overall it seems a lot of the similar observations yoyo more then one would see in any other game. Repeatability is not a happy bedfellow with this game.

Best thing is for people to run their own test using MSI Afterburner or similar on their individual setups.

I have seen different people with the same CPU and GPU as I have get different results using similar settings.

Here is my i5-6600K O/C 4400Ghz and GTX970. Even with the CPU at 100% load I was still getting 98% on the GPU in Alexandria @1080p maxed out settings.

Some people tried to call me out because their similar system result were way off but what you see in the screenshot is what happened.
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/922544516082401600/47C68433CEF442DB171502B372F06F19EBD609BF/

Seriously, I have tried hard not to scaremonger about the DRM but one has to wonder on it's effect on performance.

[FeilDOW]

It does seem MugHugs system is at the point where the CPU has just enough to keep the GPU fed with calls while maxed but if you were to put anything stronger such as a 1080 you would see a bottleneck.

A GPU doesn't feed the CPU with info so it can't bottleneck it.