Is it possible to ignore the eagle?

[RippieFlippie]

Can the game be played this way? I like games to be hard and realistic, and not for casuals, and would to do everything the realistic way. The eagle giving you a drone view, marking enemies, then you see them through walls and such things is to much hand holding and casual-arcade for me. Are there mandatory actions that require the eagle or can I play through the game completely ignoring it? I guess this play style would also double the time to get 100% because you would have to carefully scout and look around instead of rushing through hordes of marked enemies that you see through walls.

[Rautamies]

Well, I've played the game a lot not using the eagle, and it's so much better that way. I'm quite sure you don't have to use Senu... been a while since I finished the main story, and I don't remember there being any 'mandatory' eagle moments where you're being forced to use her. It just makes everything more time consuming if you don't use her to locate stuff (treasure locations, etc)

[RippieFlippie]

I imagine it being better without the eagle. Although depends on taste. For my part, I know that immersion for me will be better and I will enjoy it more and feel more like being there. If I pull an eagle out of the pocket and suddenly have drone view and he magically marks stuff for me, well, that kind of detroys immersion completely for me. Way to much casual gaming for the masses.

[Rautamies]

Originally posted by Power Social Justice Warrior:

I imagine it being better without the eagle. Although depends on taste. For my part, I know that immersion for me will be better and I will enjoy it more and feel more like being there. If I pull an eagle out of the pocket and suddenly have drone view and he magically marks stuff for me, well, that kind of detroys immersion completely for me. Way to much casual gaming for the masses.

I completely agree. It was fun flying around as Senu, marking enemies, and stuff for the first few hours, but it honestly starts feeling wayyyy too convenient. I hate the whole ''see thru walls'' mechanic some games tend to have... makes stuff too easy, and it feels like you've accomplished absolutely nothing, because you're being handhold by the game. Taking down camps and fortresses is so much more fun without it.

[RippieFlippie]

I just read that you can control the trajectory of your arrows here!?

I curse the day when video games reached the unwashed casual masses!
What's next? Maybe this: the game is one giant cut scene and every 30 secs a message pops up "Press A-Button to win!", you press it and this repeats until the game is finished? Ubisoft games should have a disclaimer coming with them "Leave brain at entrance".

[Rautamies]

Originally posted by Power Social Justice Warrior:

I just read that you can control the trajectory of your arrows here!?

I curse the day when video games reached the unwashed casual masses!
What's next? Maybe this: the game is one giant cut scene and every 30 secs a message pops up "Press A-Button to win!", you press it and this repeats until the game is finished? Ubisoft games should have a disclaimer coming with them "Leave brain at entrance".

Yeah. There's this bow called ''predator bow'' and you can, indeed, control the arrow trajectory. It's overpowered as hell, kind of fun to use, but breaks all immersion, if you ask me.

[RippieFlippie]

I watched videos and saw how the boats react. The water looks really nice and the waves are cool, but the boat is speeding like a rocket ship if he only puts the wooden stick into the water ever so slightly. Such a shame Ubisoft always wreck immersion in their games with silly stuff like this. Here is hoping the casualisation of games has reached its climax and the tide turns again to make games more immersive and challenging again. Kingdom Come Deliverance sells as good as AC Origins did, that's a good sign considering that AC Origins is THE household name of one of the big three publishers around.

#nomoredumbedownboringgames

[loganjamesalex]

The eagle is actually less overpowered than "Eagle Vision" which has existed since the very first AC. You actually have to be hidden somewhere to use the eagle for example because people are still moving around and can discover you while you are looking through the eagle. In old AC games you could just toggle it anytime you weren't in combat to see everything instantly through walls and everything. Sounds a bit like you are looking for an experince found in a different game series.

[V]

Definitely, why not? It might be more difficult when not utilising the eagle but it's possible, 100%.

[RedIndianRobin]

Originally posted by Power Social Justice Warrior:

I watched videos and saw how the boats react. The water looks really nice and the waves are cool, but the boat is speeding like a rocket ship if he only puts the wooden stick into the water ever so slightly. Such a shame Ubisoft always wreck immersion in their games with silly stuff like this. Here is hoping the casualisation of games has reached its climax and the tide turns again to make games more immersive and challenging again. Kingdom Come Deliverance sells as good as AC Origins did, that's a good sign considering that AC Origins is THE household name of one of the big three publishers around.

#nomoredumbedownboringgames

Why do I feel that you're a toxic player in this community?

[RippieFlippie]

Originally posted by RedIndianRobin:

Originally posted by Power Social Justice Warrior:

I watched videos and saw how the boats react. The water looks really nice and the waves are cool, but the boat is speeding like a rocket ship if he only puts the wooden stick into the water ever so slightly. Such a shame Ubisoft always wreck immersion in their games with silly stuff like this. Here is hoping the casualisation of games has reached its climax and the tide turns again to make games more immersive and challenging again. Kingdom Come Deliverance sells as good as AC Origins did, that's a good sign considering that AC Origins is THE household name of one of the big three publishers around.

#nomoredumbedownboringgames

Why do I feel that you're a toxic player in this community? :ACO_Hippo:

No really, not. It is just most arcade things for casual players rip me out of the immersion. The boat speeds are such a thing. Some of them have sails, and then it makes sense that they are a fast. But like this one in the video, they could as well put little space ships on top of the pyramids that's how immersion breaking it is. The guy goes like 50km/h and sticks his little wooden rudder in the water maybe every 3 secs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7PgSgo9LSE

[RippieFlippie]

Originally posted by Unicorn13:

Sorry but games are made to be games, not real life. You could travel to Egypt today and do it the OG way seeing the pyramids and so. It's pretty nice actually.

Yes, I understand that if it comes to pure arcade games. Like Rayman and so on. But for historical games it might be a good idea to pick up all the players who like realism. Just a realism mode, so that you can truly immerse yourself in Egypt without getting kicked out of immersion by magic eagles, one stroke speed boats and such. I am so glad Kingdom Come Deliverance is successful. It will raise a flag. I does just as well as AC Origins and is not the major brand of a top three publisher. I claim a major part of the KDC players would have also bought AC Origins if it was not such a silly arcade game.

[loganjamesalex]

Originally posted by Power Social Justice Warrior:

Originally posted by Unicorn13:

Sorry but games are made to be games, not real life. You could travel to Egypt today and do it the OG way seeing the pyramids and so. It's pretty nice actually.

Yes, I understand that if it comes to pure arcade games. Like Rayman and so on. But for historical games it might be a good idea to pick up all the players who like realism. Just a realism mode, so that you can truly immerse yourself in Egypt without getting kicked out of immersion by magic eagles, one stroke speed boats and such. I am so glad Kingdom Come Deliverance is successful. It will raise a flag. I does just as well as AC Origins and is not the major brand of a top three publisher. I claim a major part of the KDC players would have also bought AC Origins if it was not such a silly arcade game.

The fact that you view this as a "historical game" says it all. Aside from the information in the discovery tour, this game is science fiction. We have tombs left from "the people who came before" refering to reality as a simulation and directly talking to the person in the animus and calling the animus by name. Assassins Creed has never ever been about historical accuracy and has always been about abstergo and the animus. Did you know in the first assassins creed the reason Altair cannot swim is because of the "limitations of the animus" not that he as a person could not swim? If you read the notes and lore you find out that many things the animus does aren't meant to be showing history exactly as it happened but it does things to help the user feel more comfortable and in control.

It's like you are playing call of duty and make a discussion about how the game would be so much better as a third person shooter instead of a first person shooter, that it doesn't make sense for a game like call of duty to have a first person camera, goes against everything about shooters.

Sounds really stupid right?

[KviNight]

Yep logan says it right. This is a science-fiction game based on historical events/times.
And even so, while I agree there should be more hardcore games out there, that doesn't mean that every games has to be one, and AC has never been one so there's no real reason for it to suddenly change the genre.

Besides, if you want you can shut off the HUD elements and not use Senu, you'll still have to play in 3rd person tho :p

[RippieFlippie]

Historical recreation and such is what they go on and on and on about in every interview. And they recreated it nicely. Then why not include a mode where you can immerse yourself fully without getting thrown out of immersion by Ubisofts trademark arcade touch. Thank god Kingdom Come Deliverance came along. I hope it turns the tide a bit, away from this "leave brain at entrance" approach to please all the casuals. I played AC Black Flag recently again. It is like a button smasher. The fighting is completely out of town easy button smashing. Like Flappy Birds to please every casual that they can find. You really can switch off your brain when playing this over simplified stuff.

[Asuna]

beyond nightmare？