Amunet – selfishness that born the Creed -SPOILER-

[Epero]

SPOILER – of course
Just want to know you opinion on Aya.

She is simply selfish, egoistic person who only look out for herself. Yes, she had tragedy when her child was murdered. But same did Bayek. And he didn´t stopped loving her. He always wants to reconnect with her. But she doesn´t even tried. She is in pursuing of her quest for greatness.
It seems like motherhood only hold her back and that she never loved Bayek. She respects him as a Medjay, as a fighter, but there is no deep bound. So is questionable why she married him in the first place. And in some way it looks like death of her child frees her from shackles of family and she could finally do what she want.

She wanted to be something. First as a Medjay, then as a Blade of Cleopatra and when all that failed, she stop following and create her own cult where she choose purpose in life that makes her feel important. Because being mother, or wife, or simply good person doing good deeds (like her husband) wasn´t enough for her. You can feel it from her talks and attitude when she talks about Cleopatra (before she disappointed Aya).
And after their quest is complete, after they revenge their son, she left for Rome. Bayek try to be with her from beginning and she always “after this, after that” and then she left him for her personal reasons. She didn´t even try to be close to him, to run Brotherhood from Egypt and help her former husband.
She always wanted something great and makes excuse that it is for higher purpose. But it is just plain excuse for her to be someone who made difference. But it is for herself. She feels good about it and wants it for herself. Bayek helps everyone around him selflessly. He did it because it is right thing to do and doesn´t want to be recognized as a symbol, as a hand of queen, or king, or as someone who he isn´t.
She even changes her name from Aya to Amunet, to be something more than she was. Bayek doesn´t feel the need to change name. When she returns in DLC “The Hidden Ones”, she is dressed as a princess to show that she is somebody. And let even her former husband call her “Amunet”. It is sick.

And at the end she is chosen as Mentor of brotherhood. Why? She killed Cezar. Yes, very important figure. But otherwise she blindly follows Cleopatra, while Bayek did everything. He killed almost all form Order, he found out all evidence and kill all newly discovered members of order, he saved Cleopatra – he did everything. All first members of brotherhood became members because of him, because of his actions and character. She have one prominent kill, she follow her own goals and was years away with Cleopatra, she didn´t helped people like Bayek, she renounce here name and love (if she loved him. Maybe she just wanted childe. She said that Cleopatra was more than a friend) what is practically betrayal of her heritage, ancestors and vows. So there is no reason to make her Mentor of Brotherhood. There is no reason to even like her.

[Khergit]

Agreed with Op, Bayek is what i want to be. I want to be in the countryside helping people. Aya cares about being famous and remembered, Bayek just wants to help and prevent people having the fate he had with his son. You could truly see that he loved his son and took him to stargazing explaining all the lore of Egypt. You could also see that he cared about Khenzu and that other girl that died of the crocodile. He wants to help and be a good man, Aya is selfish, otherwise she would have stayed with Bayek and would have actually connected with Khemu.

This is the reason khemu dies, Aya never connected with him and he hesitated to go to her.

Bayek was always trying to be with him and being nice. I can understand him being scared to jump since it was like 10 meters from water.

[Lac3y]

I never liked her as a character. I think Ubisoft fell into the common trap that strong female characters have to cold, distant and basically just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. I hated playing as her, hated when she was one screen, and hated the forced feminist crap the game was littered with ("how dare you entrust such an important task to a mere woman!" Caesar bellows). She was an abusive and neglectful spouse as far as I'm concerned. Naming herself after a Goddess showed her true colours: arrogant and prideful. And if Ubisoft had intentionally written her this way I wouldn't mind, but it's obvious that they intended to write a badass female but ended up writing a ♥♥♥♥♥. In fact, I can't actually remember if there were any weak females in this game. Plenty of weak men. But every female side character was practically indistinguishable: strong, capable, sassy warriors who don't need no man.

[Khergit]

Първоначално публикувано от Lac3y:

I never liked her as a character. I think Ubisoft fell into the common trap that strong female characters have to cold, distant and basically just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. I hated playing as her, hated when she was one screen, and hated the forced feminist crap the game was littered with ("how dare you entrust such an important task to a mere woman!" Caesar bellows). She was an abusive and neglectful spouse as far as I'm concerned. Naming herself after a Goddess showed her true colours: arrogant and prideful. And if Ubisoft had intentionally written her this way I wouldn't mind, but it's obvious that they intended to write a badass female but ended up writing a ♥♥♥♥♥. In fact, I can't actually remember if there were any weak females in this game. Plenty of weak men. But every female side character was practically indistinguishable: strong, capable, sassy warriors who don't need no man.

Agreed with almost everything you said except the woman part,

Before, the woman were seen as weak and entitled to do housework. In here it makes sense since she is not a pharaoh or a queen.

[bgray9054]

Was not a fan of Aya. Not saying I hated everything about her, but her character was definitely annoying and the writing was a bit feminist / SJW in some areas - I literally laughed out loud at the mission where (spoilers incoming for people who haven't played the game) Bayek and Caesar are talking about how Caesar wants Bayek to go light the fires or something to send a signal, and there was this big deal made about how Bayek doesn't need to do it because Aya can do it, etc. - that mission, along with a few others were just very "we need to show that girls can do everything boys can" BS - it was just very cringe. They have Bayek basically deferring to Aya throughout the game mostly which I thought was also somewhat cringe-worthy. This definitely affected my opinion of the overall game when I wrote my review.

[Jekko]

Първоначално публикувано от bgray9054:

Was not a fan of Aya. Not saying I hated everything about her, but her character was definitely annoying and the writing was a bit feminist / SJW in some areas - I literally laughed out loud at the mission where (spoilers incoming for people who haven't played the game) Bayek and Caesar are talking about how Caesar wants Bayek to go light the fires or something to send a signal, and there was this big deal made about how Bayek doesn't need to do it because Aya can do it, etc. - that mission, along with a few others were just very "we need to show that girls can do everything boys can" BS - it was just very cringe. They have Bayek basically deferring to Aya throughout the game mostly which I thought was also somewhat cringe-worthy. This definitely affected my opinion of the overall game when I wrote my review.

+1

Amunet is a feminist power trip along the lines of "I need no men or children, just my assassin powah". The last bayek/aya dialogs in the main quest made no sense to me, felt like the ravings of two drug addicts. If they really wanted a feminist power character Cleopatra would have made more sense, but they made her incredibly petty and flimsy.

[bgray9054]

Първоначално публикувано от Valdr:

Първоначално публикувано от bgray9054:

Was not a fan of Aya. Not saying I hated everything about her, but her character was definitely annoying and the writing was a bit feminist / SJW in some areas - I literally laughed out loud at the mission where (spoilers incoming for people who haven't played the game) Bayek and Caesar are talking about how Caesar wants Bayek to go light the fires or something to send a signal, and there was this big deal made about how Bayek doesn't need to do it because Aya can do it, etc. - that mission, along with a few others were just very "we need to show that girls can do everything boys can" BS - it was just very cringe. They have Bayek basically deferring to Aya throughout the game mostly which I thought was also somewhat cringe-worthy. This definitely affected my opinion of the overall game when I wrote my review.

+1

Amunet is a feminist power trip along the lines of "I need no men or children, just my assassin powah". The last bayek/aya dialogs in the main quest made no sense to me, felt like the ravings of two drug addicts. If they really wanted a feminist power character Cleopatra would have made more sense, but they made her incredibly petty and flimsy.

Yep absolutely. I haven't played Odyssey yet, really hoping they dial the feminism and SJW gender politics down a good bit in that one, though.