MHW Iceborne 1440p Question

[ImmortalicT]

So I just got a new Nvidia RTX 2080, coming from a GTX 780. That being said I was expecting to max everything out with an 8GB card. To my surprise, I also suffer from cpu pegging at 100% and gpu 75%+. And this is only 1080p with everything maxed out. Def did not occur with MHW, something with iceborne.

People with Nvidia gpu’s, have you been able to upscale to 1440p? Most other games I see that option in the GeForce experience app, when I toggle it for MHW only gives me up to 1080p. I’m not sure why it isn’t showing the 1440p option. Can you guys tell me if it shows for you?

My build:

Windows 10
Nvidia RTX 2080 Super
Intel i7 3770k
16GB RAM
Corsair Platinum 750W
ASUS Sabertooth Z77
1TB Samsung 860 Evo
250GB Samsung 860 Evo (Boot)
1TB WD Black
ASUS 27” 144hrz monitor

[tywald]

Is your monitor only 1080p? If yes, you can activate DSR in Nvidia Control Panel and select 1.78x then you should be able to pick 1440p in-game.

[💀 Deadward 💀]

I'm playing 1440p with almost everything high and the high res texture pack at a solid 60fps on a GTX 1070. It's almost guaranteed that your 3770k is holding the 2080 back. As always, make sure your drivers are up-to-date. Did you do a clean reinstall of the drivers after getting the 2080? Also, GeForce Experience tends to be nothing but trouble.

[ImmortalicT]

Originally posted by tywald:

Is your monitor only 1080p? If yes, you can activate DSR in Nvidia Control Panel and select 1.78x then you should be able to pick 1440p in-game.

Yes my gaming monitor is 1080p, but plan on hooking it up to my 4k Samsung tv, however the tv is not 144hrz. I'll have to see which has the better picture. This worked flawlessly, exactly what I was looking for, thank you very much my friend!!

Originally posted by 💀 Deadward 💀:

I'm playing 1440p with almost everything high and the high res texture pack at a solid 60fps on a GTX 1070. It's almost guaranteed that your 3770k is holding the 2080 back. As always, make sure your drivers are up-to-date. Did you do a clean reinstall of the drivers after getting the 2080? Also, GeForce Experience tends to be nothing but trouble.

Yeah I'm getting a steady 80+ fps with everything maxed out in 1440p. I just moved up from my old 3GB 780 and was expecting higher fps, however this is playable and beautiful. I think your right, my CPU is holding back the 2080. I am debating on upgrading my CPU, although I'd rather not as I just spent $750 on my GPU and wasn't looking to upgrade my whole PC. Seems like it's the normal lack of optimization for PC?

[Implojin]

Your cpu is absolutely holding back that 2080 my dude. It's not 2011 anymore, Ivy Bridge is an ancient uarch now.

I'm getting fps in the ~85 to ~100 range in Seliana @ 1080p with a mildly overclocked 1060 6gb and a 3700x. This is in Linux, through Proton, with the Proton ge-patch that stubs out the game's anti-tamper slowdown, so it's not an apples-to-apples comparison to stock Windows @1440p, but I'd still expect a 2080 to be significantly faster than what you're describing.

GN did a couple of videos on this; current cpus are so much better that it's really time to upgrade. (Plus, MHW eats ALL THE CPU with its terrible anti-tamper code since Iceborne, so, yeah, it's probably bottlenecking even harder than you'd expect.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6RsDyMn2gY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn9EMlxdCrM

If you want an upgrade that's relatively inexpensive, ryzen 3000 is pretty nuts; the current price/perf sweet spot is probably something like a 3600 or 3600x with a cheap B450 mobo, or a 3700x if you want to spend a bit more for the extra threads. I think you can find a 3600 / 3600x + mobo + ddr4 for something like USD $300? It's not, y'know, *free*, but the value is great considering they've finally gotten fast enough to be a solid upgrade over sandy/ivy. (My 3700x is *significantly* faster than my old i5 2500k; a project that I occasionally compile that used to take 5+ minutes, now takes ~45 seconds. You'd see less of an upgrade since your 3770k is 8t, at least, but I think you'd still see a large improvement.)

Alternately, you could wait like 3-4 months for the new 7nm cpus to be released and pick something up on sale then. There's sure to be a bunch of deals as retailers dump current gen stock.

[ImmortalicT]

Originally posted by Implojin:

Your cpu is absolutely holding back that 2080 my dude. It's not 2011 anymore, Ivy Bridge is an ancient uarch now.

GN did a couple of videos on this, the tl;dw is that especially with high res or high framerate monitors, it's time to upgrade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6RsDyMn2gY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn9EMlxdCrM

If you want an upgrade that's relatively inexpensive, ryzen 3000 is pretty nuts; the current price/perf sweet spot is probably something like a 3600 or 3600x with a cheap B450 mobo, or a 3700x if you have a little bit more to spend and want the extra threads. Alternately, the ryzen 2000s are dirt cheap now and still pretty fast, but they have worse IPC and are maybe not the best upgrade choice at this point, especially with new 7nm cpus coming out in 3 to 4 months.

(MHW *is* horribly optimized, though, especially since Iceborne.)

Thanks, yeah it's looking that way. I haven't been gaming on my pc for like the past 4 years since we had kids. But I am back in the saddle, may just start a new build. New i7 9770k, new sabertooth z170, and still have to look at the DDR4 RAM. Wasn't expecting to make a new build lol, but may just do it. I think I'm going to try to overclock my CPU and see what I can get out of it, I read 4.50 was pretty stable. With my current 3770k I am not experiencing any bad frames, screen tare or freezing, just want to unlock my 2080 gpu to the fullest like you were saying.

[ImmortalicT]

Do you guys know of any good cpu temperature monitoring tools? Would be nice to have one with an overlay. I don't think the speedfan one I have is accurate.

[Implojin]

MSI Afterburner / RTSS can do CPU temp overlay in Windows, I think, if it still works in Win10. Alternately there's RealTemp, but it looks like that hasn't been updated in years.

Yeah sandy/ivy can do 4.5 no problem, or at least mine did. Maybe 4.4 if the silicon's degraded over the years. Just be careful 'cause there's complaints all over this forum about Iceborne taking CPU temps to 90C at stock clocks on older architectures. It'll probably be okay if you have airflow, but, yeah.

[ImmortalicT]

Originally posted by Implojin:

MSI Afterburner / RTSS can do CPU temp overlay in Windows, I think, if it still works in Win10. Alternately there's RealTemp, but it looks like that hasn't been updated in years.

Yeah sandy/ivy can do 4.5 no problem, or at least mine did. Maybe 4.4 if the silicon's degraded over the years. Just be careful 'cause there's complaints all over this forum about Iceborne taking CPU temps to 90C at stock clocks on older architectures. It'll probably be okay if you have airflow, but, yeah.

Thank you, I appreciate the replies. I was just watching a video on overclocking the 3770k and said the same thing, 4.4-4.5 pretty stable. I'll def keep a close watch on the temps. I just have air cooling, but have several fans very well placed.

[tywald]

I can only get 4.3GHz on my i7-3770K stable at 1.280V(I need to have significantly more for like 4.5 so I'm fine with this), but since I have mostly constant 60fps in MHW I will continue using my Ivy Bridge CPU for a bit longer :P I will most definitely upgrade for MH6 though.

My temps don't exceed 70°C using a basic 120mm AIO in MHW with this overclock.

[ImmortalicT]

Originally posted by tywald:

I can only get 4.3GHz on my i7-3770K stable at 1.280V(I need to have significantly more for like 4.5 so I'm fine with this), but since I have mostly constant 60fps in MHW I will continue using my Ivy Bridge CPU for a bit longer :P I will most definitely upgrade for MH6 though.

My temps don't exceed 70°C using a basic 120mm AIO in MHW with this overclock.

Thank you, I am going to play around with different settings when the kids go to bed. I think I’ll start at 4.3, did you notice any difference with it overclocked? What tool did you use, or did you just change it in the bios?

[tywald]

I changed in BIOS. The gist of it that worked for me is:
43 multiplier(to get 4.3GHz)
Additional Turbo Voltage: +0.004V
Offset Mode
Offset Voltage: -0.055V
LLC(Load-Line Calibration) level: 2(otherwise I can sometimes get a "V Droop" and get blue screens).

At idle I'm at around 1.016V while at load 1.280V.

I have an ASRock motherboard, Z77E-ITX to be specific. It's trial and error to see what will work best for you. I haven't played Iceborne at stock 3.5GHz but I can probably test tomorrow.

Forgot to mention I have Intel SpeedStep enabled so it can use a lower clock at idle.

[Implojin]

Originally posted by tywald:

I can only get 4.3GHz on my i7-3770K stable at 1.280V(I need to have significantly more for like 4.5 so I'm fine with this),

Silicon lottery, my 2500k was out of the box, change multi to 44, leave volts at stock, reboot, done, stable all day long in prime or whatever. Needed tiny voltage for 4.5, could do 4.7 stable with huge volts but that was never worth. Ran like that for a decade no problems, still working today with an old gpu stuck in there, it's just not "fast" for anything beyond light use anymore.

I remember seeing people talking about 5ghz stable at the time and I was like, dang, thought I had a bad chip. Guess that was the start of Intel stifling progress for a decade, though.

[💀 Deadward 💀]

Originally posted by ImmortalicT:

I am debating on upgrading my CPU, although I'd rather not as I just spent $750 on my GPU and wasn't looking to upgrade my whole PC.

Upgrading your CPU will also mean upgrading both your motherboard and RAM, as there is no CPU for that socket that would give you an appreciable performance bump, and anything you'd upgrade to will use DDR4 RAM.

Originally posted by ImmortalicT:

Seems like it's the normal lack of optimization for PC?

Most games today are actually pretty well optimized. The problem is that with so many more people getting into PC gaming, you've got a much larger number of people who don't understand the complex relationship between between the various pieces of hardware and software in a system and how it relates to performance. It's not as simple as looking at benchmarks for GPUs and expecting that level of performance. CPU, RAM speed, type of SSD or HDD, other components, drivers, and software all affect performance.