Elemental build: Safi 3p + Velk 2p? Safi 5p? Silver Rath 4p?

[ApathicAlpaca]

So I checked popular build sites but still unsure as how to setup a good elemental build. Crit seems to be the way to go but there are so many options:

Safi 3p + Velk 2p: Standard Crit Element plus damage bonus + aff bonus from Safi.

Safi 5p: BIG damage bonus and BIG aff bonus but no Crit Element whatsoever. Also I kinda hate the health loss, makes you easy to OTK (as melee anyway). But it's powerful, no doubt.

Silver Rath 4p: BIG crit element but you cannot add Safi 3p to it even if you awaken weapon with Silver Rath. You can add stuff like Rajang Will, tho (2p = 40% affi when you reach full stam bar)

There is also Namielle 2p which you can potentially add to both Silver Rath 4p and Safi 3p, however not sure how big the 'elemental damage bonus' is, I believe it's something like 10%?


So yeah, did someone play with some of these variants and can give me some advice? On build sites I often see remaining slots filled with non-set armor. Is this really better? I assume it's because of better jewel slots and abilities, but some of those 2p/3p bonuses also seem very sweet.

Thanks in advance.

PS: IAlso interested if certain weapon types profit more or less from certain element-focused sets. Dual Blade, bow, CB, Swaxe, IG...

[puzzlefox]

I use bow, and I mainly use safi 5p. The dmg output is about the same as silverlos set. However, I use silverlos only with safi weapons that have silverlos awakening cause silverlos armor has bad skills for bow. This lets me use brachy helm and garuga legs to maximize my deco slots.

Safi is my preferred set for literally every scenario. It offers WAY more build flexibility, and the hp loss is mostly negligible.

[puzzlefox]

Bow and DB profit most with pairing elemental weakness. Though blast can still be a solid choice. I use blast bow builds often for general use.

SA is best off raw. (IE: blast. Blast is raw these days)

IG is best off with raw as well (blast)

[♋Phenex]

Safi 3p and Velk 2P was 2-5% stronger last I checked but typically silver rath is comfier cause you can fit in HB3. If you're speed running or extremely good then go safi 3P and velk 2P. These are for ele builds of course so bow/DB.

[Remi]

CB uses Safi 5 since it's the best for elemental phials which are better than raw on most monsters.
IG is raw but element with Safi 3+ Teo 3 and Resentment 5 is stronger on good hitzones. But to run that you need to ditch health augment and raw with Agi 7 is just too good atm. Kjarr Glaives should help element more.

[puzzlefox]

Originally posted by Remi:

CB uses Safi 5 since it's the best for elemental phials which are better than raw on most monsters.

I wasn't sure about the CB since it's been a minute since I used it. I edited my post

[Remi]

Originally posted by puzzlefox:

Originally posted by Remi:

CB uses Safi 5 since it's the best for elemental phials which are better than raw on most monsters.

I wasn't sure about the CB since it's been a minute since I used it. I edited my post :fardy:

Well impact is still very strong, so unless it's Luna, Seething, Teo, Blos, Raging, Nami, Odos and some more element is not that much stronger, and impact gets Master's Touch and no Safi drain. Kjarr CB should push out impact even more if they can get custom augments, with built in crit element and all.

[lexilogo]

Namielle's set bonus provides +60 to whatever element you're using (essentially 2 levels of your respective element's skill) and 2 levels of Free Element/Ammo Up, the True version amps that up to +150 and +3 Free Elem levels.


It can vary with weapon- Eg. Charge Blade would prefer Safi because its elemental phials can't crit anyway, but generally speaking Silverlos is the preferred way to go for most people trying to make an elemental setup. Safi-related setups can surpass it but not by much and if you have a preference against Dragonvein Awakening for comfort reasons, you really shouldn't force yourself to use it. Safi armor is solid but hardly something you have to use.

Originally posted by ApathicAlpaca:

You can add stuff like Rajang Will, tho (2p = 40% affi when you reach full stam bar)

You should bear in mind that this is something of a fallacy. You might want to get as many Set Bonuses as possible, but remember Max Might Secret is a Secret, which means you need to invest the skills, the Set Bonus just unlocks the potential to invest the points.

Generally speaking, skill efficiency wins out over neat Set Bonuses like Secrets. Get whatever powerful Set Bonuses construct the core of your build, then use more universally powerful armor to fill the remaining slots. Don't deprive yourself of skills for eeeh Set Bonuses.


So yeah, in your case I'd advise using Silverlos armor. Dragonvein Awakening is great but TCE can absolutely keep up with it, and if you don't like Dragonvein's trade-off, you shouldn't use it.

Originally posted by puzzlefox:

This lets me use brachy helm and garuga legs to maximize my deco slots.

Garuga legs are pretty much 100% pointless with the Raging Brachy update, I'd highly advise swapping them out for Raging Brachy legs. Exact same skill efficiency, uses the near-universally desired WEX so inherent skills are no issue and packs the Raging Brachy set bonus.

[ApathicAlpaca]

Thanks so far. For ranged weapons I like Safi a lot because you get hit much less so keeping health loss in check is much easier. Particularly with rapidfire elemental LBG, it's insane.

Hmm so I guess it's a personal choice between Safi and Silverlos, depending on how much comfort you want.
Regarding Rajang Will, I was thinking on the lines that you need 7 expert to reach 40% affinity but only 5 Maximum Might so it kinda frees up 2 ability levels somewhere on your gear. (with the long duration of Maximum Might Lvl5 even bow can profit from this I believe)
Of course, if 'neutral' armor has additional, better abilities or jewel slots for the build... hmm.

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5p Safi for CB and LBG because they benefit more from added element than a crit% element modifier

4p Silver los for DB and Bow because it's much more comfortable than having safi HP drain

3p Safi + 2p Velk for DB and Bow if you dont mind the HP drain and can reliably proc coalescence

Swaxe and IG is better off with the kaiser + raging brach set

Namielle set bonus is a 60/150 elemental damage increase when it procs, so 5 piece is basically a less reliable safi, and mixing 3p safi and 2p namielle will only get you +140 and isnt worth.

[ApathicAlpaca]

Yes, Namielle seems to really require hidden element (and big value one at that) to be better than the rest of sets because then it frees up Release jewels big time. Still requires continual hits, though, might be not that easy especially on new, dangerous monsters.
I want to love it but it's difficult to see which R12 weapons could possibly be best with Namielle instead of Silverlos or Safi.

[puzzlefox]

Originally posted by lexilogo:

Originally posted by puzzlefox:

This lets me use brachy helm and garuga legs to maximize my deco slots.

Garuga legs are pretty much 100% pointless with the Raging Brachy update, I'd highly advise swapping them out for Raging Brachy legs. Exact same skill efficiency, uses the near-universally desired WEX so inherent skills are no issue and packs the Raging Brachy set bonus.

I considered that. And idk, I rarely use my silverlos sets, so I'll have to double check, but I may have brachy in both slots. But a few reasons I'm pretty sure I have garuga are:
- I don't have enough room for lvl 7 agitator.
- the extra lvl 2 deco slot goes a long way with bow. It means an extra lvl of cons, surge, or evade window.
- the natural two levels of crit eye is extremely valuable for build flexibility

Silverlos builds for bow are a very tight squeeze for skills. Such to the point where I also awaken my silverlos set bows with deco slot 3 awakening so I can slot I a free spread deco. This is why I like the safi set better. So much more build freedom.

[JPM岩]

When it comes to SA, 4 Piece Silver Los will be the best route. However, it's possible that MR Kulve and AT Nam will change this.

[Ragosta tin Dei]

For elem reliant TCE always has higher dps. Always. There's no way the 150 element from Safi can make up for the TCE critical loss unless your set doesn't crit, (ie you rely on raw elemental damage)

If you're running all crits like velk or nami, you will need to run coalesence to make up for the shortfall in dps.

[Xilo The Odd]

Originally posted by puzzlefox:

I use bow, and I mainly use safi 5p. The dmg output is about the same as silverlos set. However, I use silverlos only with safi weapons that have silverlos awakening cause silverlos armor has bad skills for bow. This lets me use brachy helm and garuga legs to maximize my deco slots.

Safi is my preferred set for literally every scenario. It offers WAY more build flexibility, and the hp loss is mostly negligible.

imma laugh at all the guys that bring a safi set against AT Namiell... water beam! dead.

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Originally posted by Xilo The Odd:

imma laugh at all the guys that bring a safi set against AT Namiell... water beam! dead.

silver los -15 water res too lol water beam! dead.