Alatreon is the reason I'm going to uninstall

[AlbinoFrog]

Final edit: As of 9/13/24, a month and a half after I made this post, I have decided to throw in the towel yet again and just spent an hour gambling on SOS flares until someone beat him for me. I hope to never fight him again. F*ck Alatreon. F*ck his gimmicks. F*ck whoever tested it and thought it was good.

Original Post:
To preface, I'm not a good player. This is the first MH game I've played in more than a decade and I have no other experience with its combat style (I only play FGC, FPS, or puzzle games usually). Despite that, I have enjoyed MHW Icebourne very much over the last couple months and I played all the way up to Alatreon with manageable difficulty. My character is about 180 hours in, 65 MR, 90 HR. It has been a massive uphill battle to learn the game, but it has been enjoyable.

That is until I got to Alatreon. I have spent 3 consecutive days after work fighting the "weaker" version and after dozens of attempts I have only even seen Escaton Judgement once and it was my 3rd cart. I have yet to break a horn. Yes, I'm running elemental. Polar Bash, the Frostfang Barioth hammer. Yes, I'm running as many ice elemental damage up decos that I have. Yes, I have upgraded Vital Mantle and Dragonproof Mantle both with decos. Yes, I'm running enough elemental resistance decos that I have a positive resistance to fire, ice, lightning and dragon. Yes, I have upgraded my armor. I'm running a mix between the Stygian Zinogre and Furious Rajang set, all of which has been upgraded to level 13 or 10 respectively (they had different maxes).

After all boosts, armor charm/talon, and armor I have 970 defense. I have enough resources in the fight to functionally have 7 max potions, 20 mega potions, and extra lifepowders. I have no idea what else I can possible upgrade at this point and yet most of my attempts don't even make it 5 minutes in. And lastly yes, I have tried using SOS a few times. Every single attempt where I called for SOS we wiped at Escaton Judgement. This one monster has completely soured my enjoyment of this game because I'm realizing I will never be able to even unlock the final Elder Dragon, Fatalis.

[D. Flame]

I had to use dual blades to get a clear

[kaerzi]

if you're not a good player you should attack less often and take your time just circling around a monster while learning WHEN you can actually commit to your attack. evade window 5 and evade distance 3 would help you too since you're saying you get hit too much.

[Bobucles]

Normal alatreon shows up first, then the weaker one to unlock fatalis. I don't know why, that's literally the order I had to do them. The weaker one is a quarter health, there's no way to get remotely decent at normal alatreon and then fail to curbstomp the wounded one.

Check around Seliana for the excitable a-lister. He unlocks the wounded quest.

The fight hates shields. All the shield knockback values are disgustingly overtuned and there is no reason to invest a single point in guard. Use a different weapon.

[Reinar]

Check youtube fights. Watch and learn patterns.

[steven]

You can at least press "enter" to make your text readable next time pls ?
This wall of text hurt...

Back to the subject : yeah, you didn't really search what to upgrade if you say you had tried everything.

- Level 10-13 is not the max level of armor nor the max def . One word : Augments.
Up level to 20, add ~20 def each part. (100 more def in total, play in staying alive longer)
Did you even tried the guidling land or searched it ? Your answer is there.

- Take better armors than rarity 11 armors, go for rarity 12 with better / more skills for your weapon (coz more def and better skills).

- Vitality mantle is ♥♥♥♥, one hit from Alatreon and your mantle is out.
Better go for Temporal mantle (dodge 5-6 hits before going down) + health booster if you want regen / rocksteady mantle if you want to survive a little bit more.
If you don't have it, go search on the wiki.

- Learn patterns

-For SOS, yeah sorry you had bad pickup, this happen. Better luck next time ?

- For decos, you don't really need to boost your elemental def, it's useless and use essential deco slots.
You need :
* evade window and evade distance, if you are taking damage too often (max level for easier dodge)
* health boost 3, for +50 health, helps a lot
* affinity skills (critical eyes, critical boost, agitator), to land more crits more powerfull and close the figh faster
* part breaker, to break things faster
* divine blessing, to take less damage occasionaly
* free meal, for 25% chance to not use item (you have more potions this way) + speed eater, to use potions faster
* some decos boosting your weapon elemental damage or a charm doing the same level 3/4

[FuyuNoSora]

If it is not fun anymore, uninstalling is the right thing to do. Alatreon as a whole can be a huge wall and takes most players a lot of time to figure out.

From your text I've got that you tried to break a horn. I also started this way, but it is the wrong approach. This happens because the NPC's talk a lot about his head so people think it is his only weak spot. Try simply to deal elemental damage, no need to focus on the head too much.

Alatreon forces the player to play very seriously, one can't continue casual play, this is the line.

Like others have said learning patterns and not getting hit is very important. It's good to learn all his moves, this will be quite tedious and it also takes a while for the brain to adapt, especially if you played the game just for fun, but it's worth it if you are having fun.

[Feto]

I think you need MR100 to unlock all the augments (or the materials for them in the Guiding Lands), so do that. The weapon augment helps a lot.
Alatreon and Fatalis were meant for people with MR100+, no idea why they put a MR24 req.

[Hammer Of Evil]

fight other monsters and remember what makes mh fun for you. farm material and decoration for a while.

alatreon and fatalis are MH equivalent to raid bosses in other games, they require perfection from all 4 players. There's nothing more challenging.

if you cant beat it with 4 players, you can use a cat with plunderblade solo for these fights, though it takes a long time for parts, the blade will have success eventually if you're able to survive 50-60% of the monster hp stack.

but at this time, i recommend studying the alatron fight for a while first, watch some clears with different weapons and builds, and study 'pre-alatreon' build.

it takes practice, and patience, change and grow. build a new weapon. it take me at least 30 deaths to learn alatreon and another 30+ for fatalis. so dont feel bad, everyone else is getting bodied just as much as you, no question.

[ominumi]

You're just not there yet. Move onto other stuff. Come back later.

[Roshambo]

Go to the Guiding Lands! Level up a zone until you can fight tempered monsters/elder dragons. They will drop Spiritvein Gems that increase the DEF cap you can reach with armor spheres on your armor. You should aim for around 1100 defense on your armor ideally if you are new to the fight.

As for element, take your pick but I would not go in without at least 500 water, ice, dragon or lightning on your weapon. Any weapon with innate high element that is not sealed should work with a few element boost gems slotted (6 is ideal). Fire is not a good choice for the assignment quest.

* Also, you only need to beat the easier version of Alatreon to unlock Fatalis which should be cleared shortly after one Escaton Judgement wipe attack. If you are underleveled for Alatreon you are underleveled for Fatalis as well.

[Mr. September]

Lmao.

[cruste]

Originally posted by kaerzi:

if you're not a good player you should attack less often and take your time just circling around a monster while learning WHEN you can actually commit to your attack. evade window 5 and evade distance 3 would help you too since you're saying you get hit too much.

That tactic won't work with alatreon

There is a timer going down for the judgement and if you waste too much time on doing silly things, it will wipe you because you failed to do enough elemental dmg to reduce the dmg of the judgement so you can survive it.

meanwhile people managed to kill him with blast weapons in solo while eated all 3 carts from the judgements through the help of the safeguard drink, which grants an extra cart
but you need to be good at what you are doing or the 4th judgement will simply wipe you out if you are too slow

Originally posted by Bobucles:

Normal alatreon shows up first, then the weaker one to unlock fatalis. I don't know why, that's literally the order I had to do them. The weaker one is a quarter health, there's no way to get remotely decent at normal alatreon and then fail to curbstomp the wounded one.

Check around Seliana for the excitable a-lister. He unlocks the wounded quest.

The fight hates shields. All the shield knockback values are disgustingly overtuned and there is no reason to invest a single point in guard. Use a different weapon.

The answer is simple there was no fatalis available as alatreon was released
https://www.monsterhunter.com/update/mhw/us/

@at op you shouldn't use sos system for these fights because you will only encounter more clueless rookies constantly failing

go with a premade team instead, best results if you seek for an alatreon session there should always be some high rank players be around in these sessions, who know how to fight it

the cheese strategies are hbg pierce3 usage or gunlance+ snowman (3gunlance guys +1range guy for easy sleep/para)
you could also try snowman + palico vulcan + ghilie mantle, but it is rough to coordinate, it needs some training

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaZoaV0Aa4g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9c4w42I-U8

[Omnicide]

There's so much game besides Alatreon, why don't you just go vibe in the Guiding Lands for a while, secure some more upgrades, try out a few different builds, and then come back to it?

No helping it if you've made up your mind though, but this is one game where completion shouldn't be your penultimate goal imo. Heck start a second save file and go see how easy the early fights are for you now. It might make you feel better about how far you've come, you're still improving even if you feel like you've hit a wall, you just need to break through. That's the fun of it.

Stop and smell the wyverns.

[ErzPaladin]

Edit: (see link)

https://steamcommunity.com/app/582010/discussions/0/4513254889538334290/



For Alatreon I made extra a LBG set with Ala Bowgun:

Ice lvl 6
Fire lvl 4
Divine Blessing lvl 5
Weakness Exploit lvl 2
Pest Resistance lvl 3
Dodge lvl 3
Dodge Distance lvl 3
Speed Eating lvl 3
Free Meal lvl 2
Crit Eye lvl 2
Claw Boost lvl 1
Inner Eye / Ballistics lvl 1* (*not sure whether it really does something, though)

My hope was to stop Alatreon from doing killing-nukes, but it somehow doesn't matter at all or at least not enough. Augmented the Ala Bowgun 1 level for elemental damage. More is simply not possible, cause I don't get the materials for it.

In addition:

I don't even see, when which element matters in case of Alatreon. There's no real indicator. No burning, no color or anything which let's you guess which element would matter. Same goes for the dmg-output of elemental ammunition: you don't see it by going through all elements on Alatreon. There's no real... dmg-peak which indicates... "this element might be useful!"
From that point of view... if other people wouldn't state that Alatreon is "ok", then I'd define Alatreon as bugged... and it's rather that some very few people know a "work-around" for that special game bug. Just thinking.

[Chan]

I'd definitely never SOS on Alatreon. I sometimes look and see some SOS's for him and then I see the elementless weapons. -_- Also though you don't need to beat Alatreon for anything, so why quit playing over one monster?