why is longsword so popular?

[Noel]

almost every lobby got atleast 1 longsword user

[MarcoPants]

Originally posted by Fraktal:

Originally posted by Mythily:

According to the weapon usage stats I posted earlier ( https://steamcommunity.com/app/582010/discussions/0/4361247268669822535/ )
you are indeed correct with that assumption. Why? Weeb weapon I would say. Don't play it myself though.

Surprised SnS is down there, considering with Frostcraft PR spam it has some of the best clear times in the game.

and that's exactly why I basically never use SnS because brainless PR spam is dull beyond belief. I'd put it in the same tier of dull brainlessness as bowgun sticky spam

[TuskSpin]

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Originally posted by Jereweeb:

Simple movesets, far reaching, light and mobile.

If that was the reason then hammer would be more popular, the answer is: anime/edgy.

You're thinking of great sword. Long sword is anime/flashy

Though I lean more into the flashy side, I actually hate katanas. Good thing it's a long sword and not a long katana

[TuskSpin]

Originally posted by lazybenjiboy:

Originally posted by Rammisu:

Capcom is a Japanese company, so they made their representative weapon super flashy and op as hell. They took it one step further in Rise, and they made it the default weapon to ensure that few people even bothered with the other weapons.

Yeah that kinda annoyed me in rise. I mainly play GS and Swaxe though I dabble in other weapons and being given a longsword and a fire element one at that by the village elder for stopping the rampage kinda pissed me off. Would have been much better imo if he just gave you the mats to make a weapon of your choice but nope the game is like "Here, have a longsword for clearing part of the story. Oh it's not your preferred weapon? Too bad, suck it up kiddo."

As apposed to the nothing sword you get in the other games? They give you a LS because it fits the theme of the game, not that anyone would use it, LS main or not. Watching others whine about such an insignificant thing is baffling. Feels like people are grasping at reason to complain about long sword

[TuskSpin]

Originally posted by Hammer Of Evil:

its because its the easiest weapon to use. long reach and fast attacks.

it doesn't work well in a team setting, or vs smaller monsters, as they find out.

Tbf, most weapons are easy to use. LS, DB, IG, Hammer, and SnS are all very simple to understand and use. Though LS is probably the hardest to mess up, hence why more people might stick with it. The amount of IG users I see spamming infinites/aerials or SnS players who don't know how to activate perfect rush is baffling. In terms of complexity, nothing is beyond anyone's understanding. The most mechanically complex weapon, CB, is incredibly simple when you look at the game plan. get phials, charge, power shield, get phials, charge, then spend them on either saed or axe mode. The game simply sucks at teaching you how to properly use your weapon.

LS certainly struggles in team settings, but so does switch axe charge blade savage axe, gunlance, and insect glaive (assuming you're actually using it's most damaging combos). The truth is if you're not using flinch free, you're throwing. Even with a fully coordinated team, the damage gained by allowing everyone to hit the best hzv far outweighs whatever damage based deco would have taken its place. Don't take it from me, but from the 4 player speedrunners

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by TuskSpin:

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

If that was the reason then hammer would be more popular, the answer is: anime/edgy.

You're thinking of great sword. Long sword is anime/flashy

No I am not, hammer is very simple and easy to combo or set up, the running charge attack can reach high and the combination of it being light and mobile gives it more active reach. Hammer can be flashy just not a "spectacle" like long sword but otherwise is all the things that were listed. Great sword is none of them except for long range *if* you're positioned correctly.

[TuskSpin]

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Originally posted by TuskSpin:

You're thinking of great sword. Long sword is anime/flashy

No I am not, hammer is very simple and easy to combo or set up, the running charge attack can reach high and the combination of it being light and mobile gives it more active reach. Hammer can be flashy just not a "spectacle" like long sword but otherwise is all the things that were listed. Great sword is none of them except for long range *if* you're positioned correctly.

Wasn't expecting much from a hammer main, but holy smokes! I was calling great sword anime/edgy, not "light and mobile"

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by TuskSpin:

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

No I am not, hammer is very simple and easy to combo or set up, the running charge attack can reach high and the combination of it being light and mobile gives it more active reach. Hammer can be flashy just not a "spectacle" like long sword but otherwise is all the things that were listed. Great sword is none of them except for long range *if* you're positioned correctly.

Wasn't expecting much from a hammer main, but holy smokes! I was calling great sword anime/edgy, not "light and mobile"

In what world is great sword the weeb weapon? Long Sword is the weeb weapon and honestly it isn't so much the weapon itself that is edgy but rather the clown suits the people using it wear.

[TuskSpin]

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Originally posted by TuskSpin:

Wasn't expecting much from a hammer main, but holy smokes! I was calling great sword anime/edgy, not "light and mobile"

In what world is great sword the weeb weapon? Long Sword is the weeb weapon and honestly it isn't so much the weapon itself that is edgy but rather the clown suits the people using it wear.

GS is berserk bait. Not to mention the common anime trope of comically large swords. "But maybe..." nah man, it's japanese game, they knew what they were doing.

[ShadowtheWiz]

For me its consistently the weapon i do the most damage with that isn't swaxe

[FuyuNoSora]

Originally posted by TuskSpin:

...most weapons are easy to use. LS, DB, IG, Hammer, and SnS are all very simple to understand and use...

I have to disagree here. IG is a very hard weapon to use the right way. You have to correctly collect all three extracts, everytime you miss a body part with the bug it costs you a lot of time. You have to know which bodypart of a specific monster gives what color. You have to correctly time and use the aerial attacks, touching the monster with all your aerial attacks getting your last hit on a weak spot, or the aerial damage will not amount to much. You have to correctly time your Dive attack so you pierce through a weakspot and than hit the monster on the ground. You have to know how to use your bug. Some bugs are slow, others fast, some heal, some break parts, poison, stun. You have to know how to mount monsters and which attack leads to that and use it rightly.

You are constantly on the move - this is a weapon that can make the player easily exhausted.

The hunter has also to know what gems to use for Insect Glaive - power prolonger, stamina, protection from loss of sharpness etc.

[AlphaLeaf]

The reasons that people use Long Sword tend to boil down to three categories.

1. The Weeb Weapon™ because it's like being a samurai and it looks cool.
2. Parry play style. LS relies on parrying and countering monsters to deal heavy damage, and because it's a high risk and reward where the reward is more attack, it can be a highly efficient weapon. Quite a few games have play styles that involve parrying mechanics already, so if they're picking up MH for the first time, they would gravitate to what they know best. Either that, or they were 1 and then learned the weapon.
3. Speedrunning. Basically 2, now with more micro-optimisations.

Originally posted by FuyuNoSora:

The hunter has also to know what gems to use for Insect Glaive - power prolonger, stamina, protection from loss of sharpness etc.

As an IG main, the only skill that matters is Evade Extender. More you have, the more distance you get in your mid-air evasions. Constitution and Power Prolonger are nice to have, but boil down to management of stamina, and learning what parts extract what colour. I'd say IG isn't hard to pick up, but it can be a challenge to effectively use - it's definitely much easier now than then, your kinsect needed pheromones to target the monster, otherwise it was blind.

[Frito-Ley Line]

world IG is extremely simple to actually fight with. the extract system and slinger ammo buff just make it seem more complicated than it really is. honestly, if all you care about is getting through a fight (i.e. the vast majority of the playerbase) you don't even need to worry about using the slow ass kinsect and hitting perfect dives, you can just R2 mark the monster so your kinsect is doing free damage, and then do tornado slash over and over again

[Cyseal]

Originally posted by MarcoPants:

Originally posted by Fraktal:

Surprised SnS is down there, considering with Frostcraft PR spam it has some of the best clear times in the game.

and that's exactly why I basically never use SnS because brainless PR spam is dull beyond belief. I'd put it in the same tier of dull brainlessness as bowgun sticky spam

I mean. No-ones forcing you to spam it.

[Fraktal]

Originally posted by FuyuNoSora:

Originally posted by TuskSpin:

...most weapons are easy to use. LS, DB, IG, Hammer, and SnS are all very simple to understand and use...

I have to disagree here. IG is a very hard weapon to use the right way. You have to correctly collect all three extracts, everytime you miss a body part with the bug it costs you a lot of time. You have to know which bodypart of a specific monster gives what color. You have to correctly time and use the aerial attacks, touching the monster with all your aerial attacks getting your last hit on a weak spot, or the aerial damage will not amount to much. You have to correctly time your Dive attack so you pierce through a weakspot and than hit the monster on the ground. You have to know how to use your bug. Some bugs are slow, others fast, some heal, some break parts, poison, stun. You have to know how to mount monsters and which attack leads to that and use it rightly.

You are constantly on the move - this is a weapon that can make the player easily exhausted.

The hunter has also to know what gems to use for Insect Glaive - power prolonger, stamina, protection from loss of sharpness etc.

IG is easier than you think. You don’t need power prolonger or any stamina decos to play it. Maybe Dash Juice on certain monsters that you need to DT spam like AT Velk and Alatreon.

Roars are the perfect time to refresh buffs. Also once you get all three buffs you can’t refresh until it expires. If you stick with red and white buffs you get the moves, move speed and jump height, and 10% raw damage.

I tried playing longsword against a Rathian and felt like a huge clown, maybe in Wilds I’ll try it again.

[Polly]

cool and a nice learning curve