Alatreon is not for NOOBS!!!

[Anoyun?]

you've been playing this game for hours! "Asmongold"

[TheCIA.TV®]

My friend hunter and master level is 999 and he still says is difficult to beat him.

[Capybarasan]

Originally posted by Void Heart®:

My friend hunter and master level is 999 and he still says is difficult to beat him.

Am currently 922 MR and 999 HR, nearly 1700 hours in this game and I hate Alatreon. He is the single most annoying boss to fight either solo or in a group. Terrible boss fight and I'm not wasting any more time with it.

[蔡徐坤(已戒色版)]

Originally posted by Capybarasan:

Originally posted by Void Heart®:

My friend hunter and master level is 999 and he still says is difficult to beat him.

Am currently 922 MR and 999 HR, nearly 1700 hours in this game and I hate Alatreon. He is the single most annoying boss to fight either solo or in a group. Terrible boss fight and I'm not wasting any more time with it.

same with rajang and fatalis, i have complete the alatreon quest and now doing fatalis and couldnt solo it , i tried to do the cutscene but it was very hard. i just farm guiding lands and help other ppl

[GekkooNTH]

Originally posted by Capybarasan:

Originally posted by Void Heart®:

My friend hunter and master level is 999 and he still says is difficult to beat him.

Am currently 922 MR and 999 HR, nearly 1700 hours in this game and I hate Alatreon. He is the single most annoying boss to fight either solo or in a group. Terrible boss fight and I'm not wasting any more time with it.

If solo, there are many ways to solo Alatreon. For example, HBG with ammo piercing. HBG with elemental ammo is not weak, but why don't we use the type of ammo that Alatreon fears the most. Tenderize its chest and shoot continuously at this position from the front or back. The first Nova attack we will definitely die, but with fortify increases the damage by 15%. My best record is hunting Alatreon within 10 minutes with 1 death, the rest is somewhere around 15 minutes with 2 deaths.

[Nauskills]

Fatalis and Alatreon are skill filters ''sips''

[Mr. September]

Originally posted by Capybarasan:

Am currently 922 MR and 999 HR, nearly 1700 hours in this game and I hate Alatreon. He is the single most annoying boss to fight either solo or in a group. Terrible boss fight and I'm not wasting any more time with it.

Just because you don't like him doesn't mean the fight itself is bad. It's quite fun with fast weapons (like DB or maybe IG). I only ever used DB because I'm lazy, though. You only need like 1.5 people who deal decent elemental damage to do the fight, anyway. I recall doing my first runs with Safi armor, then a hybrid of Safi and Alatreon. Time really flies when you are having fun... Good ol' days.

It's basically the same thing as any other quest, but you have to deal the damage before the Judgment timer runs out instead of the quest timer. This is why I don't get people who complain about the "DPS check" of Alatreon. Quite literally, ALL quests are on a timer. You either deal a certain amount of damage in the allotted time, or you fail. That means, all quests in the game are DPS checks, technically speaking (maybe except the collection and critter capture ones). Just because you had almost an hour at early quests or don't have to outright kill the monster doesn't mean the game will be as forgiving when fighting the 4th strongest monster in the entire game.

Not like you'll care, but I was in your situation. Possibly more than a dozen times, too. I used to hate Anjanath, Barioth, Rajang, Safi, Alatreon, Fatalis... Teostra especially (that damn toaster...). AT Velk, not so much. If anything, the default version is basically neutered in terms of moveset and combos. AT version is actually the "real" fight. Anyway. I'm going off on a tangent here. The point I'm trying to get to is, you end up surpassing even your hate. Just like how you surpassed the challenges and the struggle, your hatred is just another obstacle that stops you from achieving greater things.

Alatreon would have been just another boring Elder Dragon without the current mechanics. I don't think we needed another "generic dragon NO 53" when we already have enough monsters that share each other's skeletons. That alone already makes things stale once you start to pay close attention, since you can tell which monsters share the same basic moveset.

TL;DR: If you got this far and still harbor hatred, you still have a long way to go.

[Smaugi]

Originally posted by Mr. September:

That is so true.
90% of the time when pepole hate a monster its because it wrecked them , instead of learning it they scream "bad design" or something like that , and keep trying the same thing over and over again through rage filled glasses. And that stops them from learning that you can actually do alot more than you think you can.

[Capybarasan]

Originally posted by Mr. September:

Originally posted by Capybarasan:

Am currently 922 MR and 999 HR, nearly 1700 hours in this game and I hate Alatreon. He is the single most annoying boss to fight either solo or in a group. Terrible boss fight and I'm not wasting any more time with it.

Just because you don't like him doesn't mean the fight itself is bad. It's quite fun with fast weapons (like DB or maybe IG). I only ever used DB because I'm lazy, though. You only need like 1.5 people who deal decent elemental damage to do the fight, anyway. I recall doing my first runs with Safi armor, then a hybrid of Safi and Alatreon. Time really flies when you are having fun... Good ol' days.

It's basically the same thing as any other quest, but you have to deal the damage before the Judgment timer runs out instead of the quest timer. This is why I don't get people who complain about the "DPS check" of Alatreon. Quite literally, ALL quests are on a timer. You either deal a certain amount of damage in the allotted time, or you fail. That means, all quests in the game are DPS checks, technically speaking (maybe except the collection and critter capture ones). Just because you had almost an hour at early quests or don't have to outright kill the monster doesn't mean the game will be as forgiving when fighting the 4th strongest monster in the entire game.

Not like you'll care, but I was in your situation. Possibly more than a dozen times, too. I used to hate Anjanath, Barioth, Rajang, Safi, Alatreon, Fatalis... Teostra especially (that damn toaster...). AT Velk, not so much. If anything, the default version is basically neutered in terms of moveset and combos. AT version is actually the "real" fight. Anyway. I'm going off on a tangent here. The point I'm trying to get to is, you end up surpassing even your hate. Just like how you surpassed the challenges and the struggle, your hatred is just another obstacle that stops you from achieving greater things.

Alatreon would have been just another boring Elder Dragon without the current mechanics. I don't think we needed another "generic dragon NO 53" when we already have enough monsters that share each other's skeletons. That alone already makes things stale once you start to pay close attention, since you can tell which monsters share the same basic moveset.

TL;DR: If you got this far and still harbor hatred, you still have a long way to go.

I had my fair share of walls. My first AT was Xeno and I solo'd that. I spent 8 hours in a day to be able to kill her. It felt like a total brick wall at first, 0 progress, but I kept pushing. I'm no stranger to hard fights and I relish them, I push through them because I enjoy them. That's not the issue here.

Alatreon is not a wall to me. I can kill it. The type of fight he is, is stupid. DPS check plus part breaking. It puts to much pressure and stress on dealing enough damage to a specific part. It's unnecessary. Then his attacks make it so much more difficult to land those attacks which adds even more stress. It's a terrible and annoying fight.

[Mr. September]

Originally posted by Capybarasan:

Alatreon is not a wall to me. I can kill it. The type of fight he is, is stupid. DPS check plus part breaking. It puts to much pressure and stress on dealing enough damage to a specific part. It's unnecessary. Then his attacks make it so much more difficult to land those attacks which adds even more stress. It's a terrible and annoying fight.

Well, that's fair. I still somewhat disagree, but I do see where you're coming from. I can't blame you or anyone for thinking this way. It's completely understandable.

At the end of the day, it's a matter of differing perspectives, I guess. Alatreon puts a more aggressive restriction on you in terms of what the game expects you to do. Not following the "rules" gets you a defeat much faster than the regular quests. It's a drastic change of pace a lot of people didn't and still wouldn't like, even though what we were doing was basically the same thing with a different coat of paint all along. Personally, I liked the change of pace, because it was a new and different thing. The same song and dance goes so far, you see.

At least, he isn't exactly "required" to progress into the endgame. I don't recall the armor being particularly useful (maybe for elemental builds?) but I do remember using the weapons when attempting Fatalis. I'm pretty positive he can be skipped if you manage to get a decent Safi or maybe Kulve weapon, though.

PS: I'm glad someone actually understood what I was getting to without getting offended or misunderstanding, so bonus points to you for that. Even though I try my best to not speak in riddles (as I usually do), people still can't fill in the gaps and understand what I'm sayin', somehow.

[FuyuNoSora]

Originally posted by Capybarasan:

Alatreon is not a wall to me. I can kill it. The type of fight he is, is stupid. DPS check plus part breaking. It puts to much pressure and stress on dealing enough damage to a specific part. It's unnecessary. Then his attacks make it so much more difficult to land those attacks which adds even more stress. It's a terrible and annoying fight.

One time elemental DPS check is okay in my opinion, breaking one horn is also okay, but then they force the player to do the same things again. That's as stupid as the "soften all 10 parts of a monster every 2 minutes with a 2 cm long Clutch Claw" idea.

Why not add some real strategy and more freedom, like trying to mount the monster while it is flying over razor sharp spikes and let it fall there one time, or Ice element making him slower. Or poison making him use only Fire for some minutes. Lure in a Deviljho with very hard to get meat to massively weaken Alaetron. Many other fun possibilities which could have been added with some hints, instead of boring DPS check over DPS check.

[makinaccion]

What's this thread all about?, is it just another rant isn't?, because if there's something wrong with Alatreon is that the elemental threshold is really low so it ends up being barely an issue if you are a somewhat decent hunter because the monster itself is great; phenomenal hitboxes, a simple but interesting enough gimmick and all with a varied and fun moveset, one of the best monsters in the game once you tune it up to actual endgame values.

[Strider]

Saw that vid and it motivated me , guess what, I FREAKING FINALLY BEAT THE MF. i'm just so happy right now i literally Jump and screamed outta' my chair. (took me two days of planning/practicing the fight tho)

Anywhoss... Fatalis is next on my list.

[SotiCoto]

Fighting Alatreon and Fatalis with randoms is an amusing test of just how well you cope with the game. Soloing them is easy. The real test is carrying 3 headless chickens through the hunt without them ruining everything.

Originally posted by SotiCoto:

Fighting Alatreon and Fatalis with randoms is an amusing test of just how well you cope with the game. Soloing them is easy. The real test is carrying 3 headless chickens through the hunt without them ruining everything.

Touché

I can't think of a single enemy in this game which is unreasonably hard and requires very specific builds to beat. Sure, ranged weapons like HBG have made many fights very trivial but then Alatreon and Fatalis kind of balanced that out. Pretty much all monster’s attacks can be avoided and countered with every single weapon. When Alat first came out I really hated it because of the nova mechanic, not being able to recognize the Fire/Ice/Dragon states and having to run with lots of people carrying Brachy blast weapons. After some perseverance, eventually I started to enjoy the fight and it became one of my all time favorites. I just put on evasion mantle, i-frame the roar, go into Ice Savage Axe, 3 hits and he’s knocked down, i-frame the outward spreading flames to the center, hit the head, i-frame the thunder attacks, hit the head ... I suspect the biggest problem some players face with soulslike games is a lack of understanding of the hitbox and stagger mechanics. Enemy attacks are generally designed to be evaded and then countered, constantly switching between defense and offense. I just seem to see a lot of people either just running around in fear or pumping it like Jenkins. Honestly, I think that the only monster that I hate is Safi, and that’s because the fight is an unbearable scripted bore, there’s an immensely effective meta strategy and the vast majority of players don’t take a damn about breaking parts.