Difficulty of the weapons

[WEZT]

What is a weapon that you would consider as easy, but most people consider it hard, and what is a weapon that you would consider as hard, but most people say is easy?

[dyne2alex]

I find solo hammer hard. People find it easy. I'm not sure what weapons people consider hard other than the "CB is the most complex weapon" thing, wondering if this is a bait to flex about our CB 1337 skills

[Mr. September]

All weapons are easy if you practice even a little. However, it entirely depends on the monster you are trying to hunt. Hunting fast monsters with slow weapons is very tedious unless you already know how to immobilize it and deal good damage.

In terms of difficulty, I'd order them like this:

Easy:

Dual Blades (plain simple slash-and-dash)
Lance (poke and shield, not a whole lot of variety or tricks. Bonus points if you get guard-related skills)

Medium:

Longsword (due to counter window requiring some practice)
Hammer (requires constant charging and good positioning to make use of)
Switch Axe (if you use anything other than ZSD, then it's Hard tier)
Sword and Shield (has a great damage output for some moves, but it's slightly challenging to land them if you don't have practice. Also, tiny range)

Hard:

Charge Blade (hard to figure out until you realize everything can combo into everything)
Gunlance (explosive stick with slow moves. Getting dodge skills helps a lot to step away from danger without unsheathing)
Insect Glaive (you won't deal proper damage unless you learn the infinite ground combos. You also have to learn how to get which dust from all monsters)
Hunting Horn (takes good practice to deal good damage while also buffing yourself and allies. Otherwise, you are just a cornerhealer which isn't good)
Greatsword (you basically have to know the moveset of the monster and/or immobilize it to use your best attack)

Extra:

Bow, LBG and HBG here. You take more damage at the cost of also dealing a lot of damage (if your build is somewhat decent). Ranged is easy mode, if you can dodge well and have the essential skills and/or ammo for your weapon.

That's my personal categorization. It depends on the monster matchup and your skill, of course. You can find a weapon easier or harder.

Personally, I started with Longsword and switched to Bow. Played most of the base game with it, then started learning other melee weapons. Now, I use everything once in a while, depending on what I'm hunting.

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by dyne2alex:

I find solo hammer hard. People find it easy. I'm not sure what weapons people consider hard other than the "CB is the most complex weapon" thing, wondering if this is a bait to flex about our CB 1337 skills

CB would be the most complicated if you used its full move set constantly, but you don't. You basically use one combo, then store phials, then SAED, rinse and repeat.

Originally posted by Mr. September:

All weapons are easy if you practice even a little. However, it entirely depends on the monster you are trying to hunt. Hunting fast monsters with slow weapons is very tedious unless you already know how to immobilize it and deal good damage.

In terms of difficulty, I'd order them like this:

Easy:

Dual Blades (plain simple slash-and-dash)
Lance (poke and shield, not a whole lot of variety or tricks. Bonus points if you get guard-related skills)

Medium:

Longsword (due to counter window requiring some practice)
Hammer (requires constant charging and good positioning to make use of)
Switch Axe (if you use anything other than ZSD, then it's Hard tier)
Sword and Shield (has a great damage output for some moves, but it's slightly challenging to land them if you don't have practice. Also, tiny range)

Hard:

Charge Blade (hard to figure out until you realize everything can combo into everything)
Gunlance (explosive stick with slow moves. Getting dodge skills helps a lot to step away from danger without unsheathing)
Insect Glaive (you won't deal proper damage unless you learn the infinite ground combos. You also have to learn how to get which dust from all monsters)
Hunting Horn (takes good practice to deal good damage while also buffing yourself and allies. Otherwise, you are just a cornerhealer which isn't good)
Greatsword (you basically have to know the moveset of the monster and/or immobilize it to use your best attack)

Extra:

Bow, LBG and HBG here. You take more damage at the cost of also dealing a lot of damage (if your build is somewhat decent). Ranged is easy mode, if you can dodge well and have the essential skills and/or ammo for your weapon.

That's my personal categorization. It depends on the monster matchup and your skill, of course. You can find a weapon easier or harder.

Personally, I started with Longsword and switched to Bow. Played most of the base game with it, then started learning other melee weapons. Now, I use everything once in a while, depending on what I'm hunting.

Lance is way more complicated than you give it credit for, it has its own movement system that is unique from everything else in the game, and it has like half a dozen different options out of its dash attack alone. If you think it has no tricks then you simply have no idea what you are talking about.

Meanwhile, Gunlance is turn-your-brain-off tier easy mode. You can literally just spam 2 (charged) shells, quick reload, and repeat infinitely. It only needs like one or two skill, so the rest can be used for survival skills, and you are never going to bounce, even on something like a hardened Lavasioth. The fact that you don't have this rated as the easiest weapon in the game is telling.

[Mr. September]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Lance is way more complicated than you give it credit for, it has its own movement system that is unique from everything else in the game, and it has like half a dozen different options out of its dash attack alone. If you think it has no tricks then you simply have no idea what you are talking about.

Meanwhile, Gunlance is turn-your-brain-off tier easy mode. You can literally just spam 2 (charged) shells, quick reload, and repeat infinitely. It only needs like one or two skill, so the rest can be used for survival skills, and you are never going to bounce, even on something like a hardened Lavasioth. The fact that you don't have this rated as the easiest weapon in the game is telling.

Probably should have switched lance and gunlance then. Must have forgotten how they were. It has been a while since I used them.

[Mughi]

IMO, Greatsword is the easiest weapon to learn. You only need draw slash and charged draw slash to beat every monster in the game. This places most of the difficulty into learning the monster's moveset instead of the weapon's.

IMO, LBG is the hardest weapon to learn, requiring different ammo types for each version, different critical ranges for each ammo type, and crafting on the fly. However, you basically treat every monster the same once you've learned the moveset.

Other people can argue Bow is more complex than LBG, or Hunting Horn requires more knowledge of monsters than Greatsword. The main idea is you're learning the weapon or the monster, and mastery comes from knowing both. Without separating the monster and the weapon, I'd expect a huge variety of opinions like you normally see in threads like this.

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by The Great Sanguini:

LBG is the hardest weapon to learn, requiring different ammo types for each version, different critical ranges for each ammo type, and crafting on the fly. However, you basically treat every monster the same once you've learned the moveset.

Not really. Most people just get it and spam sticky or spread ammo against everything.

[Smaugi]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by dyne2alex:

I find solo hammer hard. People find it easy. I'm not sure what weapons people consider hard other than the "CB is the most complex weapon" thing, wondering if this is a bait to flex about our CB 1337 skills

CB would be the most complicated if you used its full move set constantly, but you don't. You basically use one combo, then store phials, then SAED, rinse and repeat.

Originally posted by Mr. September:

All weapons are easy if you practice even a little. However, it entirely depends on the monster you are trying to hunt. Hunting fast monsters with slow weapons is very tedious unless you already know how to immobilize it and deal good damage.

In terms of difficulty, I'd order them like this:

Easy:

Dual Blades (plain simple slash-and-dash)
Lance (poke and shield, not a whole lot of variety or tricks. Bonus points if you get guard-related skills)

Medium:

Longsword (due to counter window requiring some practice)
Hammer (requires constant charging and good positioning to make use of)
Switch Axe (if you use anything other than ZSD, then it's Hard tier)
Sword and Shield (has a great damage output for some moves, but it's slightly challenging to land them if you don't have practice. Also, tiny range)

Hard:

Charge Blade (hard to figure out until you realize everything can combo into everything)
Gunlance (explosive stick with slow moves. Getting dodge skills helps a lot to step away from danger without unsheathing)
Insect Glaive (you won't deal proper damage unless you learn the infinite ground combos. You also have to learn how to get which dust from all monsters)
Hunting Horn (takes good practice to deal good damage while also buffing yourself and allies. Otherwise, you are just a cornerhealer which isn't good)
Greatsword (you basically have to know the moveset of the monster and/or immobilize it to use your best attack)

Extra:

Bow, LBG and HBG here. You take more damage at the cost of also dealing a lot of damage (if your build is somewhat decent). Ranged is easy mode, if you can dodge well and have the essential skills and/or ammo for your weapon.

That's my personal categorization. It depends on the monster matchup and your skill, of course. You can find a weapon easier or harder.

Personally, I started with Longsword and switched to Bow. Played most of the base game with it, then started learning other melee weapons. Now, I use everything once in a while, depending on what I'm hunting.

Lance is way more complicated than you give it credit for, it has its own movement system that is unique from everything else in the game, and it has like half a dozen different options out of its dash attack alone. If you think it has no tricks then you simply have no idea what you are talking about.

Meanwhile, Gunlance is turn-your-brain-off tier easy mode. You can literally just spam 2 (charged) shells, quick reload, and repeat infinitely. It only needs like one or two skill, so the rest can be used for survival skills, and you are never going to bounce, even on something like a hardened Lavasioth. The fact that you don't have this rated as the easiest weapon in the game is telling.

You act as if CB ONLY EVER CAN GO SAED , and that gunlance is only ever gonna play long shellings.
Also lance really isn't something SUPER difficult , you get normal block , one counter if you want to tenderize , one block when you don't want to be moved back with built in guard up , and a counter where you attack , you use charge to move and poke poke poke.

[Smaugi]

Hard and easy to use or master?
Gs is somewhat easy to use , but to master it you need to learn every monster pretty well , making it hard.
Bow is hard to use cause its skill heavy , but once you have the skills its not that hard to use to good effect for example.
LS can be a bit hard but once you get the basics it just performs well at all times.
It really depends on what kind of hard and easy.
But overall , none of the weapons are super hard or super easy to learn and use , no matter what you use , once you understand what it can do you can use it pretty well.

[Mughi]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by The Great Sanguini:

LBG is the hardest weapon to learn, requiring different ammo types for each version, different critical ranges for each ammo type, and crafting on the fly. However, you basically treat every monster the same once you've learned the moveset.

Not really. Most people just get it and spam sticky or spread ammo against everything.

Well, treating every monster the same is basically my point. But yeah, sticky means no crit range and spread makes crit range simple. Figuring out which LBG is useful for those ammos is part of the difficulty of that weapon, but based on what's written I think we basically agree.

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by Smaugi:

Originally posted by D. Flame:

CB would be the most complicated if you used its full move set constantly, but you don't. You basically use one combo, then store phials, then SAED, rinse and repeat.




Lance is way more complicated than you give it credit for, it has its own movement system that is unique from everything else in the game, and it has like half a dozen different options out of its dash attack alone. If you think it has no tricks then you simply have no idea what you are talking about.

Meanwhile, Gunlance is turn-your-brain-off tier easy mode. You can literally just spam 2 (charged) shells, quick reload, and repeat infinitely. It only needs like one or two skill, so the rest can be used for survival skills, and you are never going to bounce, even on something like a hardened Lavasioth. The fact that you don't have this rated as the easiest weapon in the game is telling.

You act as if CB ONLY EVER CAN GO SAED , and that gunlance is only ever gonna play long shellings.
Also lance really isn't something SUPER difficult , you get normal block , one counter if you want to tenderize , one block when you don't want to be moved back with built in guard up , and a counter where you attack , you use charge to move and poke poke poke.

CB speed runs, aka the a race to clear the hunt in the quickest way possible, almost exclusively used SAED in the base game. It was simply the best way to use the weapon.

Same with gunlance, shell spam is you most efficient way of using it, especially if you want an easy mode set with a crap ton of survival skills built in.

Also, I didn't say it was "super difficult" to play, but it is way more complex to learn. Like I said before, you have like half a dozen options out of your dash alone. It has 3 different blocks. It has 2 different counters (no, not including offensive guard). It has 2 different standing thrusts, wide slashes, shield bashes that do blunt damage. It has leaping attacks. It has running and jumping attacks that do mounting damage, so you can use it to mount even on flat land. It has two different versions of back hops. Etc. And you use them all in order to stick to a monster to make up for your otherwise low damage.

Saying Lance is just "poke, poke, poke" just shows your complete lack of knowledge on the subject.

[Popcorn]

I'd say both Lance and GL are pretty equal in terms of "how hard to use"
Placed second in a Behemoth hunt, which was surprising, set focused on AB7 (bad, I know)
For GL, you could play slap boom, or slap, or boom.
Personally prefer the slap boom, more satisfying.

As for the "hardest to use", might be more so GS, mainly due to the timing sense of monsters.

HH is pretty complicated if you're not used to it.

[Smaugi]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by Smaugi:

You act as if CB ONLY EVER CAN GO SAED , and that gunlance is only ever gonna play long shellings.
Also lance really isn't something SUPER difficult , you get normal block , one counter if you want to tenderize , one block when you don't want to be moved back with built in guard up , and a counter where you attack , you use charge to move and poke poke poke.

CB speed runs, aka the a race to clear the hunt in the quickest way possible, almost exclusively used SAED in the base game. It was simply the best way to use the weapon.

Same with gunlance, shell spam is you most efficient way of using it, especially if you want an easy mode set with a crap ton of survival skills built in.

Also, I didn't say it was "super difficult" to play, but it is way more complex to learn. Like I said before, you have like half a dozen options out of your dash alone. It has 3 different blocks. It has 2 different counters (no, not including offensive guard). It has 2 different standing thrusts, wide slashes, shield bashes that do blunt damage. It has leaping attacks. It has running and jumping attacks that do mounting damage, so you can use it to mount even on flat land. It has two different versions of back hops. Etc. And you use them all in order to stick to a monster to make up for your otherwise low damage.

Saying Lance is just "poke, poke, poke" just shows your complete lack of knowledge on the subject.

Sure.
As if lance in speedruns ever used its shield attacks , and not just charge , the counters and the upward poke.
There is no point in arguing here especially since you change what I said to fit your argument, its a medium difficulty weapon with many options , like most weapons.

[Smaugi]

Originally posted by Vaisnac:

I'd say both Lance and GL are pretty equal in terms of "how hard to use"
Placed second in a Behemoth hunt, which was surprising, set focused on AB7 (bad, I know)
For GL, you could play slap boom, or slap, or boom.
Personally prefer the slap boom, more satisfying.

As for the "hardest to use", might be more so GS, mainly due to the timing sense of monsters.

HH is pretty complicated if you're not used to it.

Oh yeah , HH is a hard weapon to learn if you had no contact with it before.
You have to do your combos to play the right songs while also using those combos against the monster.

[D. Flame]

Nah, the thing with Lance is that it is low damage per hit, so if you want to make up for that, you have to stick to the monster like glue and keep attacking, even when other weapons would be backing off.

Originally posted by Vaisnac:

I'd say both Lance and GL are pretty equal in terms of "how hard to use"
Placed second in a Behemoth hunt, which was surprising, set focused on AB7 (bad, I know)
For GL, you could play slap boom, or slap, or boom.
Personally prefer the slap boom, more satisfying.

As for the "hardest to use", might be more so GS, mainly due to the timing sense of monsters.

HH is pretty complicated if you're not used to it.

The GS is pretty easy to use, actually. You can always revert back to a crit draw type of play style when fighting a monster you are unfamiliar with. Draw attack, roll out of the recover, sheath, and repeat. Then as you get more familiar with the monster, you can start going for the TCS stuff.

[Popcorn]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Nah, the thing with Lance is that it is low damage per hit, so if you want to make up for that, you have to stick to the monster like glue and keep attacking, even when other weapons would be backing off.

Originally posted by Vaisnac:

I'd say both Lance and GL are pretty equal in terms of "how hard to use"
Placed second in a Behemoth hunt, which was surprising, set focused on AB7 (bad, I know)
For GL, you could play slap boom, or slap, or boom.
Personally prefer the slap boom, more satisfying.

As for the "hardest to use", might be more so GS, mainly due to the timing sense of monsters.

HH is pretty complicated if you're not used to it.

The GS is pretty easy to use, actually. You can always revert back to a crit draw type of play style when fighting a monster you are unfamiliar with. Draw attack, roll out of the recover, sheath, and repeat. Then as you get more familiar with the monster, you can start going for the TCS stuff.

That's the thing, you HAVE to get used to the monster BEFORE going for the TCS.
Can't just bop it off the top of your head.

For lance, I stuck onto Vaal Hazak and Behemoth like glue, making my hunting waaaaaaaaay easier