How I feel about Tempered Furious Rajang (after nearly 2k hours on this game)

[Pranci]

This is literally the worst monster in the game. I thought so about Fatalis and AT Namielle a while ago, but no no. This monster is way worse. It shows how much Capcom can be lazy and just release a monster with artificial difficulty and nothing else, no real difficulty.

This might come from a random player that wants to rant about something, you would think, but let me get something out of the way first.
I have nearly 2k hours on this game, I never had problems with any monster in the game, ANY and I used to try some speedrunning in the past, too.
I know every single detail about this game, yet, this monster makes no sense.
I play nearly every weapon and no build seems to be working against him without getting damage every second or has a decent clearing time (I don't want to stay in a quest for longer than 10 minutes, you know).

Fatalis and AT Namielle, while being kinda lazy design monsters, they have still their own reasons. They have openings, are predictable, don't nearly oneshot you with every move. In short, they do work a bit at least.

But TFR, it just sucks. It spams moves every second, it literally has 1 opening, the beam attack, and it's even hard to hit as an opening because, of course, he hops back before doing it and splits the arena in 2, making the opening lasting way less and it's not a long opening on its own already.
He has infinite stamina, he rests roughly after 2 full furious stages, but the rest only lasts ~10 seconds and then he keeps on spamming again.
The only place you can hit is the head, since the tail gets joke damage and the arms will stay red for 2/3 of the hunt, since you have to hit the head while furious, but the head is difficult to hit too, so it's an infinite circle where he is going to permanently stay into red state because you can literally not hit him.
Its moves nearly oneshot you, he is so small that so many weapons become basically useless against him:

- Bow has too little space to shoot (and as a Bow main, this gets even worse since Bow is bugged on MHW and sometimes you see your shots literally disappearing and dealing 0 dmg)
- CB SAED is literally useless since he is so small the SAED is gonna hit probably once out of 6 phials
- CB SWAGAXE is basically a death sentence too, since every single swing requires too much committing and you will probably get hit, not a worth hit exchange (not even counting that TFR has so many low HZV zones, making you bump 2/5 probably)
- SA same as CB SA, slightly faster, but still, requires too much commitment
- IG would have been decent, but he moves too quickly, again, and it's impossible to reach him, even by flying, since you only have 2 jumps, semi-locked into one direction, making it useless. Its utility is literally just dodging the moves by flying and nothing else, sadly.
- SnS requires too much commitment as well and, as I said before, you can only hit his head, so seen how SnS moves work, it will either bump into the arms or miss completely since the monster is small, but his head is tall for the SnS, leaving you open to get hit, making this weapon bad as well
- DBs should work, but they used to work well on normal rajang, since you could hit his arms, so, same as SnS, his arms being red will just make it impossible to hit him and his head is already hard to reach with DBs, so this weapon is bad as well
- LS could be decent too, but it has the same issues as IG. You can really evade anything with this weapon, but the problem is still that. You have to hit the monster as well, you can't just dodge everything, and that's where the lack of REALLY HIGH mobility comes into play. LS has a good mobility on its own, it's just that TFR has TOO MUCH mobility for basically every weapon, and that's why it's impossible to reach him with LS, but just evade him without getting an hit most of the times
- HH is roughly the same as SA and CB, requires too much commitment, nearly 0 mobility and really high chance to bump into the red arms. Though, if you get the hits on the head right, you might as well stun him, then you remember that the stun lasts for around 7 second, in which you have to reach him as well and then he comes back as nothing happened and you have to deal double of the blunt damage to stun him again :,)
- GL and Lance are one of the few weapons that could work decently, not well, but decently. GL has a powerful shield and can ignore HZV since it can shoot explosive rounds, Lance has a powerful shield too and its main moves are always straight and can even high reach for the head, making you not bump into the red arms that much. It comes down to positioning. The weapons both lack good mobility and don't even mention the Lance charge because it requires too much time to be executed and seen how fast this monster is, he is going to get on the opposite side as soon and you begin running. Still, those 2 weapons might get the job done if you manage to get him positioned the way you want
- Hammer is another weapon that might work, but you are probably gonna rely on the slide at the edge of the arena, trying to get flying hits, since normal hits will be too slow and hard to lend. It could work, but sliding hits are still a risk because its dimension is just right to hit you mid-air
- Bowguns could work too, they need to be played flawlessly though and you need to be careful about a lot of stuff. I tried to run them some time ago, I made possibly the best run with them, but still couldn't get it done because once you die once, since you can't refill, you lose all of your buffs and momentum and you are done for the run
- GS normally sucks, but is really effective when using a Frostcraft build. Still, I don't find this build fun at all against this monster and, as it was with the Bowguns, dying once will probably screw the run and since you can't refill, your limited heals and buffs will make the run eventually over. Lifesteal sure helps, but it's not that powerful in any case with this build to not need any consumable heals.

And that's every weapon. Basically all of them don't work at all, need too many attentions and leave you with no space for mistakes.

All I've said, of course, is about your average solo run. I've completed this quest plenty of times with randoms, splitting the aggro amongst 4 people is really powerful against TFR and would make every weapon decent and viable.
A speedrun is "easy" too, since you can memorize every single move you have to do, when to do it, etc., but it's something that only the 1% (if not less) of the players is willing and capable of doing.

In your average solo run, this monster is a lazy a$$ design nightmare, frustrating, not fun at all and killing it doesn't even give you satisfaction probably, it just gives you relief since you freed yourself of a burden.

In my experience with this game, it felt so good when I learnt how to play against the monster which difficulty wasn't artificial but actually made sense, like the base game AT monsters, Behemoth, Fatalis, AT Velkhana, Alatreon, Raging Brachydios, a bit easier but still tough at the start, even Silver and Gold Rath, AT Namielle and Brute Tigrex.
To this day, I still don't really appreciate the design of some of the monsters I've listed above, I think their design is a bit lazy as well, but still, it's still acceptable compared to the TFR and gives way more satisfaction and fun times when hunting them.

TFR is just... I don't know, it's awful, they really wanted to release a last event in the game, called it "difficult" and then they switched to MH:Rise.

I know this post is a bit long, but let me know what you think about this monster, if you feel the same way or if you maybe have found the ultra cheesy strat to kill him so I can give him my suffering back.

[Smaugi]

İlk olarak Dan Niton tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Kawalorn tarafından gönderildi:

It's just a Furious Rajang that deals more damage, and since Rajang is one of the most telegraphing monsters in the game, it's super easy to deal with all his attacks once you learn to recognize them. He doesn't come close in difficulty to any of the Arch-Tempers, Behemoth, Alatreon or Fatalis.

Hell, I'd say even Raging Brachydios is harder than him, just because he has a much more annoying moveset.

Idk if that you are making a troll post or that is your actual opinion, considering that you think ATs or even behemoth is harder than furious Raj when that is not the case. Like really!? Behemoth is harder? Come on dude.

Get some HR gear and try to solo extremoth , then take some MR gear and do the same with Tempered Furious rajang
One will have you pull your hair out
other is rajang

[Kawalorn]

İlk olarak Dan Niton tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Kawalorn tarafından gönderildi:

It's just a Furious Rajang that deals more damage, and since Rajang is one of the most telegraphing monsters in the game, it's super easy to deal with all his attacks once you learn to recognize them. He doesn't come close in difficulty to any of the Arch-Tempers, Behemoth, Alatreon or Fatalis.

Hell, I'd say even Raging Brachydios is harder than him, just because he has a much more annoying moveset.

Idk if that you are making a troll post or that is your actual opinion, considering that you think ATs or even behemoth is harder than furious Raj when that is not the case. Like really!? Behemoth is harder? Come on dude.

Yes, because Rajang has such incredibly, stupidly easy to read, and exploitable moveset with long recovery it's very easy to not get hit even once. All the other mentioned monsters have moves that are less telegraphed and usually with much better range, so you can just be at the wrong place and the wrong time and you won't be able to do anything about it. No such thing with Rajang as long as you don't glue yourself to it's face.

And of course in case you didn't figure it out, when I'm talking about Behemoth I mean it with HR gear since that's what he was designed for.

[overmage]

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İlk olarak Dan Niton tarafından gönderildi:

Idk if that you are making a troll post or that is your actual opinion, considering that you think ATs or even behemoth is harder than furious Raj when that is not the case. Like really!? Behemoth is harder? Come on dude.

Yes, because Rajang has such incredibly, stupidly easy to read, and exploitable moveset with long recovery it's very easy to not get hit even once. All the other mentioned monsters have moves that are less telegraphed and usually with much better range, so you can just be at the wrong place and the wrong time and you won't be able to do anything about it. No such thing with Rajang as long as you don't glue yourself to it's face.

And of course in case you didn't figure it out, when I'm talking about Behemoth I mean it with HR gear since that's what he was designed for.

Again, I can't agree for Raging Brachydios. Raging's moves are way slower and more telegraphed than Rajang's, with a much longer recovery in between. The only difference is that Raging's moves hit in a huge AoE and are harder to avoid than Rajang's, but that's it. I would rather fight raging than tempered black diablos, that's how easy I find him.

[StarExile]

TLDR

I have completed the quest "Mew are Number One" 500+ times and at the moment this is my favorite quest in the game, I would also like to have a quest with Temp Rajang in an open area and not just in the arena.

[Emerald Lance]

Imagine only using the optimal damage combo to fight a monster. I man handle tempered FR with lance, not because of my pointy pokes and raw block, but because counter claw into tenderize/wall makes him a chump. Longsword has three different counter moves with i-frames. And HBG? If by "played flawlessly" you mean sticking a shield at the end of a spread build and unga bunga'ing it, then yeah, flawlessly.

Alatreon, Fatalis, and AT Velk are way harder imo.

[Kawalorn]

İlk olarak overmage tarafından gönderildi:

Again, I can't agree for Raging Brachydios. Raging's moves are way slower and more telegraphed than Rajang's, with a much longer recovery in between. The only difference is that Raging's moves hit in a huge AoE and are harder to avoid than Rajang's, but that's it. I would rather fight raging than tempered black diablos, that's how easy I find him.

I really dislike how a lot of Brachy's moveset makes him run all around the arena and usually before I catch up to him he does it again and I need to repeat the process. That and exploding slime doesn't help either.

Rajang has no such annoyances and you can reliably hit him on any opening. It's really just a case of Rajang not being able to hit you, if you really learn his moveset, while all these other monsters have some degree of BS you just have to deal with.

[J-INFINITY]

I find Rajang and its variants to be alright to hunt with a HH. It is borderline fun, but I wouldn't hunt it on my own accord.
I would rather hunt Alatreon than Rajang.

[JPM岩]

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İlk olarak JPM岩 tarafından gönderildi:

"CB SWAGAXE is basically a death sentence too, since every single swing requires too much committing and you will probably get hit, not a worth hit exchange (not even counting that TFR has so many low HZV zones, making you bump 2/5 probably)
SA same as CB SA, slightly faster, but still, requires too much commitment"
Sounds like you just dont know how to GP or Morph Roll.

This is completely unrelated to the topic, but what is Morph Roll? I pretty much only use CB and I've never heard of it, but it sounds useful.

Morph Roll is a Switch Axe thing. It allows you to change between axe/sword form while dodging, giving you further rolls.

[Dagný]

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İlk olarak Dan Niton tarafından gönderildi:

Idk if that you are making a troll post or that is your actual opinion, considering that you think ATs or even behemoth is harder than furious Raj when that is not the case. Like really!? Behemoth is harder? Come on dude.

Get some HR gear and try to solo extremoth , then take some MR gear and do the same with Tempered Furious rajang
One will have you pull your hair out
other is rajang

He said Behemoth, not the complete BS that is extremoth and it's a quest designed for MP. Temp furious hits harder than Behemoth with HR gear, Alatreon, AT namielle, KT and Ragin' brachy. Only Fatalis and AT Velk can hit harder.

My experience with randoms when the quest dropped right before the fatalis update was exactly like fatalis: 5pc safi or 3pc teo 2 brachy lightbreak noobs dying 6x in less than 3 minutes every quest.

[Zirkalaritz]

İlk olarak Wipebeef tarafından gönderildi:

LMAO, bonking Tempered Furious Rajang with Hunting Horn is one of the best fights in the game. Just actually try to Get Good .

And if you actually used HH you'd know that HH has attacks that prioritizes the head so you rarely hit his arms and if you do you won't bounce anyway. (^:

Here have a free bonk https://streamable.com/almnss

That was a good bonk, good job, tootbrother.

[Dan Niton]

İlk olarak Lord Gwyn tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Dan Niton tarafından gönderildi:

Idk if that you are making a troll post or that is your actual opinion, considering that you think ATs or even behemoth is harder than furious Raj when that is not the case. Like really!? Behemoth is harder? Come on dude.

Get some HR gear and try to solo extremoth , then take some MR gear and do the same with Tempered Furious rajang
One will have you pull your hair out
other is rajang

The guy said behemoth and doesnt mention extremoth. And yes, I manage to solo behemoth before iceborne came out(i.e HR gear only). Did not beat extremoth solo but manage to reach his final phase before time out also before iceborne came out. Behemoth/extremoth's moveset is slow and you have plenty of time to react. Furious raj on the other hand, moveset is way too fast with barely any pause in between attacks.

[Mr. September]

I can relate to pretty much everything in OP's post. I have my own saying for Rajang in general:

"This isn't a hunt. It's 20 minutes of wild, pointless flailing." - Mr. September

PS: Of course it doesn't take 20 minutes but it does feel like it.

[Hogg]

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I can relate to pretty much everything in OP's post. I have my own saying for Rajang in general:

"This isn't a hunt. It's 20 minutes of wild, pointless flailing." - Mr. September

PS: Of course it doesn't take 20 minutes but it does feel like it.

Are you the guy who makes mods on the nexus mods page?

[Mr. September]

İlk olarak Hogg tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Mr. September tarafından gönderildi:

I can relate to pretty much everything in OP's post. I have my own saying for Rajang in general:

"This isn't a hunt. It's 20 minutes of wild, pointless flailing." - Mr. September

PS: Of course it doesn't take 20 minutes but it does feel like it.

Are you the guy who makes mods on the nexus mods page?

I did make a few (likely insignificant) mods but I thought I'd be recognized for my modding guide lol

In short: Of course I know him. He's me.

[Smaugi]

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İlk olarak Lord Gwyn tarafından gönderildi:

Get some HR gear and try to solo extremoth , then take some MR gear and do the same with Tempered Furious rajang
One will have you pull your hair out
other is rajang

The guy said behemoth and doesnt mention extremoth. And yes, I manage to solo behemoth before iceborne came out(i.e HR gear only). Did not beat extremoth solo but manage to reach his final phase before time out also before iceborne came out. Behemoth/extremoth's moveset is slow and you have plenty of time to react. Furious raj on the other hand, moveset is way too fast with barely any pause in between attacks.

For me rajang Has very slow telegraphed attacks , most of them have some time for you to hit him , the problem are ussualy his hitzone values and those big hands taking hits for 8 damage , he is mobile so head sniping is a bit harder but that's about it.