Good Dragon element and elderseal lance ?

[Leon]

Well , I'm here again to ask about lances .

I beat Nergigante and opened the quest for those 3 elder dragons , and the descriptions are almos saying " go get an elderseal weapon if want a chance "

Is it really needed, and wich one should i get ?
I think there are 3 i can craft , dragonborne , black steel and Deviljho

I noticed that some have "low" and " high" elderseal and some have high damage/low dragon build up and vice versa

I looked other threds and found o vid about elderseal but the guy on the vid was showing the dragons and i don't want spoilers on them as i completed the investigations but didn't got to do the quests yet

[The High Seraph]

Ah no need . Elderseal remove/tone down their aura for a while ( but they can still activate again later ) . So it’s good but not essential .

If you want elderseal anyway , use jho high elderseal with very good raw . Can even be use for general purpose .

[Mr. September]

All ailments work the same way. Imagine a virtual bar (let's say, 0/100) that fills as ailment damage is dealt. When the bar fills (100/100), the ailment procs and causes whatever effect it causes. When the effect ends, the bar goes back to zero BUT now the bar has higher maximum threshold for a successful proc (like 0/150). This essentially means that monsters get more resistant to ailments.

Now, you may ask, "what the hell does that mean?". Elderseal uses the EXACT SAME mechanics as ailments. So for some ungodly reason, Elder Dragons that get affected by Elderseal get resistant to something that is made specifically to suppress their powers.

Extended usage makes it proc much less while short hunts don't even rely on it. This means that Elderseal is practically useless.

TL;DR: Elderseal is NOT required. Focus on Elemental Weakness instead.

Edit: Spelling and grammar

[Silver Citadel]

Mr. September a écrit :

All ailments work the same way. Imagine a virtual bar (let's say, 0/100) that fills as ailment damage is dealt. When the bar fills (100/100), the ailment procs and causes whatever effect it causes. When the effect ends, the bar goes back to zero BUT now the bar has higher maximum threshold for a successful proc (like 0/150). This essentially means that monsters get more resistant to ailments.

Now, you may ask, "what the hell does that mean?". Elderseal uses the EXACT SAME mechanics as ailments. So for some ungodly reason, Elder Dragons that get affected by Elderseal get resistant to something that is made specifically to suppress their powers.

Extended usage makes it proc much less while short hunts don't even rely on it. This means that Elderseal is practically useless.

TL;DR: Elderseal is NOT required. Focus on Elemental Weakness instead.

Edit: Spelling and grammar

not sure if it applies to elder seal but for aliments on melee weapons not all hits apply the status damage anyway, I forget the proc chance but its not that high. so even less appealing on slower melee weapons

[Mr. September]

Silver Citadel a écrit :

not sure if it applies to elder seal but for aliments on melee weapons not all hits apply the status damage anyway, I forget the proc chance but its not that high. so even less appealing on slower melee weapons

I'm willing to believe that the lads at Capcom just copy-pasted the ailment code behind Elderseal lol

[Leon]

thanks everyone

So should i go for high dragon numbers?

Jho lance have gigantic raw damage but low dragon build up , and seems to have bad sharpness

I think dragonborne and black steel have low damage but high build up for dragon

How does elemental damage works, never used an element weapon before ?

[Seamus]

Elemental is bonus damage on every hit if the target is actually weak to that element. Ignore the dragonseal value. It's a crap mechanic that never should have been half baked.

[Silver Citadel]

Leon a écrit :

thanks everyone

So should i go for high dragon numbers?

Jho lance have gigantic raw damage but low dragon build up , and seems to have bad sharpness

I think dragonborne and black steel have low damage but high build up for dragon

How does elemental damage works, never used an element weapon before ?

I'm not really going to answer your question but raw vs elemental damage I believe really comes down to your weapon type as raw scales with motion / combo value (on top of sharpness and monster part value) while elemental is more "flat" damage. I don't think the game explains hidden values at all. elemental damage can't crit on its own without a specific perk (I think the earliest you encounter it is the rathalos set bonus). For the LR-> HR story I just used the basic ore and bone tree for switch axe because I couldn't be asked to make a set for every elemental type and having to switch every specific monster in story (post story is a different story... though.)

[The High Seraph]

Leon a écrit :

thanks everyone

So should i go for high dragon numbers?

Jho lance have gigantic raw damage but low dragon build up , and seems to have bad sharpness

I think dragonborne and black steel have low damage but high build up for dragon

How does elemental damage works, never used an element weapon before ?

Well ya .. general answer is if you want elemental build go dragonbone , if you want raw jho is better .

But the things that might consider .

First , The thing you wanna go is Dragon . There are not lots of monsters that are weak to dragon . Just for example , 3 elders u are going to fight aren’t weak to dragon . One weak to water , other weak to fire and wind one weak against thunder .

Second , if you go for element .. just merely using elemental focus weapon is not enough . You need dedicated elemental build like critical element with decent affinity or otherwise raw build will end up dealing more damage . And if you are using elemental builds in this situation , u lose sharpness real fast .

So for me , I don’t recommend elemental build for lance until you got Kjarr lances that can pair easily with 4 drachen .

If I am you . I will use jho lance with cheap master touch ( 3 teo ) + Death stench beta ( 2 handicraft ) + handicraft charm III until I get drachen . Hack .. I will just stick with Defender Lance V . Unlike bow & Dual blades , Lance works with Raw just fine . So I don’t bother with element until I farmed KT .

[Leon]

The High Seraph a écrit :

Leon a écrit :

thanks everyone

So should i go for high dragon numbers?

Jho lance have gigantic raw damage but low dragon build up , and seems to have bad sharpness

I think dragonborne and black steel have low damage but high build up for dragon

How does elemental damage works, never used an element weapon before ?

Well ya .. general answer is if you want elemental build go dragonbone , if you want raw jho is better .

But the things that might consider .

First , The thing you wanna go is Dragon . There are not lots of monsters that are weak to dragon . Just for example , 3 elders u are going to fight aren’t weak to dragon . One weak to water , other weak to fire and wind one weak against thunder .

Second , if you go for element .. just merely using elemental focus weapon is not enough . You need dedicated elemental build like critical element with decent affinity or otherwise raw build will end up dealing more damage . And if you are using elemental builds in this situation , u lose sharpness real fast .

So for me , I don’t recommend elemental build for lance until you got Kjarr lances that can pair easily with 4 drachen .

If I am you . I will use jho lance with cheap master touch ( 3 teo ) + Death stench beta ( 2 handicraft ) + handicraft charm III until I get drachen . Hack .. I will just stick with Defender Lance V . Unlike bow & Dual blades , Lance works with Raw just fine . So I don’t bother with element until I farmed KT .

Really ? The next 3 elders don't are weak against dragon element ?
I feel this games is pranking me , the description for the elders keep saying " get your elderseal " and i only found then on those dragon element weapons , so i thought they would be weak to that

I think i will keep a raw damage lance

[The High Seraph]

Elderseal is the special “status” ( like blast , poison ) that only glued with dragon “elemental” weapons .

The game told u to get elderseal because the next 3 elders have special auras that can trouble u and elderseal can remove them . This doesn’t mean they are weak to dragon .

Ya this sounds good right ? But unfortunately only good in paper since it work like normal status build up and once it proc , next proc will be harder . And elders can reapply their aura again without any trouble . Plus if you learned their moveset , their auras are not even problem . But if u want elderseal so badly to remove their auras … use jho , at least it can use like raw weapon and no need to make dedicated elemental builds just to deal proper damage .

In short , just because elders are effected by Elderseal “Status” doesn’t mean they are all weak to Dragon “Element” . But if you want elderseal , you are forced to use Dragon weapon . That’s why raw focus dragon elemental weapons are “generally” better . You use them like raw weapon and elderseal status is just a bonus . Like how Fatalis weapons work .

[Leon]

The High Seraph a écrit :

Elderseal is the special “status” ( like blast , poison ) that only glued with dragon “elemental” weapons .

The game told u to get elderseal because the next 3 elders have special auras that can trouble u and elderseal can remove them . This doesn’t mean they are weak to dragon .

Ya this sounds good right ? But unfortunately only good in paper since it work like normal status build up and once it proc , next proc will be harder . And elders can reapply their aura again without any trouble . But if u want elderseal so badly to remove their auras … use jho , at least it can use like raw and no need to make dedicated elemental builds just to deal proper damage .

In short , just because elders are effected by Elderseal “Status” doesn’t mean they are all weak to Dragon “Element” .

I think i wll keep my defender lance
I was trying to do neutral lances and not to use defender weapons but , the lances i was using , Kulu and Odo , have bad sharpness and i don't have the luxury to have handcraft skills now , i just got my guard 5 and guard up after farming Urgaan .

So , i will try my best

[!?!]

Elderseal is fake news.
Don't bother.

[overmage]

If you KO an Elder by hitting it in the head hard enough, its aura resets to zero. This is far more reliable than the one rank down of aura elderseal does.