Real talk... why is the Escadora's armor bonus so bad???

[jrubz]

the moment you put it on and you get like a guranteed addition of 30 to your element. I stack resistances like mad beyond 25 each and the best I can get even after eating for +15 resistance at the canteen nets me with only 130+ in my element?

I have to waste so many points and it still comes nowhere close to the meager yet strong 150+ you get from safi armor not accounting for the automatic 20-40% you get for free...

What programmer made the scaling for this armor, cause the balancing for it sucks for endgame armor...

Alatreon is more powerful than before but its armor is stripped of everything good it can do...

[cruste]

It was pretty pointless to release a defensive armor set at such a late stage of the game, but to be honest I never used the alatreon armor in tri, it was just about that sexy weapons with juicy purple sharpness and high dragon dmg

pretty much like jho who used his armor? you just wanted the weapons with high raw values

[mewlynx]

AfLIcTeD původně napsal:

~KeNnEtH~ původně napsal:

It's a more defensive set.

Safi - Damage over survivability
Alatreon - Survivability over damage
Fatalis - Damage, Survivability, Utility over fire and dragon resistance

The design concept was probably "since most of the time players give up defensive skills to boost damage especially the speed runners, let's give them a set that rewards some damage when they add in defensive skills. It probably won't change the speed runners' mindset but for normal players whom are our target audience, there must be a point where they will think that damage added is enough and that the boost in defense is enough to cover the loss in damage that could be added."

Maybe they could have tweaked it a bit more so that it adds more damage but I think it's because it adds to elemental damage which is not great for majority of the weapons.

Alatreon armour isn't even a defensive set. It has crit eye, resentment and attack boost. The only defensive part about the armour is the resistances. The armour is supposed to be about elemental damage, yet all the skills boost raw.
I would say Safi armour is more defensive than Alatreon since it has Evade Window. A lot more effective than resistances. Best to not get hit at all than reduce the damage.

Safi armor is absolutely not defensive. Alatreon has attack boost and, crit eye, etc, but it also has health boost on the chest iirc and doesn't have a life drain mechanic tied to it.

[Greb]

Technically it's MR 24 armour so it's actually pretty good for when you can obtain it

[cruste]

Greb původně napsal:

Technically it's MR 24 armour so it's actually pretty good for when you can obtain it

when you can obtain this you are going straight for fatalis, than you grind till mr200 in the same outfit or simply uninstall asap

[heronumber00]

JRubz původně napsal:

But instead it hardly gives a boost with 0 true benefits to an endgame player. Even the Furious Rajang set was made for heroics players when it came out.

Escadora really just wasn't made for anyone...

I don't think that statement is true though.
It depends on what the "endgame player" want in their build.
A lot of endgame players are chasing after straight damage/DPS, and from your comment, you are obviously one of them.
But as others said, there are other people who want comfy build, high survivability (with some decent damage). And Alatreon armour provide OPTION. Which is good.

Genreally, often the idea is that the armour from the monster, is good to fight against that monster.
And for me, before Fatalis update, a lot of time when fighting Alatreon, I used Alatreon LBG with 3 pieces Alatreon and 2 pieces Namielle. It's a very comfy build, very forgiving when I made mistake while provide decent damage.

[Virtus Tenebrae]

Alatreon armor isn't great end-of-the-end game tier, I'll agree. But, it's still pretty good. Every piece has great skills on it, and it's 3-piece tank and damage boost make it great for not-tryhards to bring into their Fatalis clears. Especially if you safe-farm two pieces of Fatalis gear and unlock all the skill secrets (Divine Blessing 5 is a god-send).

I can also see it working really well for shield users that want to be walls of elementally resistant meat. Pure hypothetical: if they ever make a master-rank Behemoth (they won't, but imagine with me), you can bet your rear end that the tank will be wearing Alatreon gear.

[rina]

It's bad because it's a defensive set and the more you play the better you become so defensive sets turn into meh set.

Safi was a great armor as its a high risk but high reward set.

[heronumber00]

Sᴡᴇᴇᴛ Tᴇᴀ původně napsal:

It's bad because it's a defensive set and the more you play the better you become so defensive sets turn into meh set.

Safi was a great armor as its a high risk but high reward set.

It's good because it give people OTHER OPTIONS.
It's fine for some people to have the "damage, damage, give me more damage" mindset.
But just remember that not everyone think the same or play the same way. Not everyone is chasing after the speed-run type of DPS (at least not all the time).

[Xilo The Odd]

JRubz původně napsal:

Xilo The Odd původně napsal:

its a tradeoff, you know, those things where you get something for something given.

in this case, Safi is built to be straight DPS, minimal survivability. you take health damage per weapon swing even. its the skilled players meta DPS set.

Alatreon's set, is the balance, you not only get some extra element for maxing out your resistances, but you also get super high elemental resistances and defense. making you tanky no matter what kind of attack hits you. this can be combined with fatalis for access to all secret skills. making it possible to be the ultimate in survival armor. but ultimately its a jack of all trades master of none armor. i use it frequently as a Comfy armor when i dont feel like putting out much effort into evading and want to swing away with reckless abandon.

health augment essentially nullifies that, and the benefit of getting healed with it doubles how broken that can be.

I love safi armor and wish there were more unique things like it, but I like it when those sets BECOME special with certain weapons.

Just look at Frostcraft, Greatsword was straight buffed when AT velkana released.

On the other hand, while element isn't always king, it could have been meta for those wanting even higher elemental damage from things like phials in Chargeblades and (possibly even tho elemental phials from them aren't purely element) switch axes.

But instead it hardly gives a boost with 0 true benefits to an endgame player. Even the Furious Rajang set was made for heroics players when it came out.

Escadora really just wasn't made for anyone...

but but if your using health augment your not maxing out your DPS!

[Curzyfish]

I mean, it's meta for dragon elemental charge blade... for all those dragon element match ups you're always looking to go up against... yeah...

[cruste]

it feels so strange nowadays reaching fatalis around mr 30 or so than encounter the metal wyvern around mr70 and finally fighting the hedgehog at mr 100 which feels at this point just like a great jagras because you have fati gear

[~KeNnEtH~]

AfLIcTeD původně napsal:

~KeNnEtH~ původně napsal:

It's a more defensive set.

Safi - Damage over survivability
Alatreon - Survivability over damage
Fatalis - Damage, Survivability, Utility over fire and dragon resistance

The design concept was probably "since most of the time players give up defensive skills to boost damage especially the speed runners, let's give them a set that rewards some damage when they add in defensive skills. It probably won't change the speed runners' mindset but for normal players whom are our target audience, there must be a point where they will think that damage added is enough and that the boost in defense is enough to cover the loss in damage that could be added."

Maybe they could have tweaked it a bit more so that it adds more damage but I think it's because it adds to elemental damage which is not great for majority of the weapons.

Alatreon armour isn't even a defensive set. It has crit eye, resentment and attack boost. The only defensive part about the armour is the resistances. The armour is supposed to be about elemental damage, yet all the skills boost raw.
I would say Safi armour is more defensive than Alatreon since it has Evade Window. A lot more effective than resistances. Best to not get hit at all than reduce the damage.

It's the set bonus I was talking about.

Armor skill-wise, it's not completely design-driven.

They can give us a set that has all the defensive skills but as long as there are slots and as long as the optimal direction is to slot offensive skills, players will still slot offensive skills.

Hence why the set bonus provides elemental damage if players slot elemental resistance.

The direction of the design is to encourage players to slot in the elemental resistance skill (defensive skill) and not feel penalised (as much) by offering some bonus to offense.

Hence why I said it is more defensive.

In comparison, Safi bonus is to encourage players to attack as much as possible by not sheathing and landing the hits while with a life drain that is countered by essentially attacking somemore.

[Velkhana's Summer]

JRubz původně napsal:

the moment you put it on and you get like a guranteed addition of 30 to your element. I stack resistances like mad beyond 25 each and the best I can get even after eating for +15 resistance at the canteen nets me with only 130+ in my element?

I have to waste so many points and it still comes nowhere close to the meager yet strong 150+ you get from safi armor not accounting for the automatic 20-40% you get for free...

What programmer made the scaling for this armor, cause the balancing for it sucks for endgame armor...

Alatreon is more powerful than before but its armor is stripped of everything good it can do...

If you wanna talk about anything Alatreon it should be the fact that his weapons got abused by Fatalis minus the very few like his bow. The armor on the other hand fills a perfect role and I'm glad its in the game. If you're not a fan of Coalescence or uncomfortable against a monster its such a good armor set just for the fact that you don't need to slot hard resist jewels to already just eat a DEFENSIVE meal that gives you OFFENSIVE bonuses lol. I shouldn't even have to capitalize that. What's the point of a safi set user who just dies because they get hit right before they heal up vs an Alatreon player who never goes below half or gets blighted because elemental resistance is awesome. It was a great inclusion by the developers to try and get players to stray away from always needing attack 7, elemental attack 6, etc. Buff the weapons though they are so bad

Edit: Forgot to mention it also increases your weapon's elemental cap by a bit cause why the heck not lol

[lexilogo]

Virtus Tenebrae původně napsal:

Alatreon armor isn't great end-of-the-end game tier, I'll agree. But, it's still pretty good. Every piece has great skills on it, and it's 3-piece tank and damage boost make it great for not-tryhards to bring into their Fatalis clears.

As someone who doesn't consider myself a tryhard (I have a lot of hours in the game but usually make very casual, comfy builds) I disagree.

Alatreon armor does get things like Health Boost fairly efficiently, but the Set Bonus sucking is a death sentence for equipping any more than one piece. Even if you are a pre-Fatalis casual player, Free Meal Secret from Tigrex is too comfy to dedicate your build to much else, and the rest of your equipment slots are going to be extremely competitive against god-tier pieces like R. Brachy/KT legs.


I'm totally okay with not every armorset being meta and for armorsets to appeal to casual players. That's why I defend HR Kulve Taroth armor and used KT Alpha chest all the way up until Iceborne launched. Alatreon IMO doesn't do it.

[heronumber00]

Sᴡᴇᴇᴛ Tᴇᴀ původně napsal:

heronumber00 původně napsal:

It's good because it give people OTHER OPTIONS.
It's fine for some people to have the "damage, damage, give me more damage" mindset.
But just remember that not everyone think the same or play the same way. Not everyone is chasing after the speed-run type of DPS (at least not all the time).

Just because it provides alternatives doesn't make it good.
If you want a more comfy build there's other sets that do it better and if you want damage then well there's other sets. Escadora overall is a mediocre set.

Just because you can't make a build you like with it, doesn't mean other people can't.
In this thread alone, there are people who use it in their build and they like it.
You know the phrase "one man's trash is another man's treasure". It's fine to not liking something, but don't assume that your way is the only way.

After all, at this point in time, there is nothing consider good, except Fatalis armour. (There are some niche builds using other armours, but again genreally it's Fatty, Fatty and more Fatty)