Real talk... why is the Escadora's armor bonus so bad???

[jrubz]

the moment you put it on and you get like a guranteed addition of 30 to your element. I stack resistances like mad beyond 25 each and the best I can get even after eating for +15 resistance at the canteen nets me with only 130+ in my element?

I have to waste so many points and it still comes nowhere close to the meager yet strong 150+ you get from safi armor not accounting for the automatic 20-40% you get for free...

What programmer made the scaling for this armor, cause the balancing for it sucks for endgame armor...

Alatreon is more powerful than before but its armor is stripped of everything good it can do...

[mewlynx]

For real. With all the power creep in the game I would have assumed it would have been at least equal in power to Safi, especially with having to raise your resistances to power your element. It's not even as fun to use as Nami's bonus, it's just bad.

[Xilo The Odd]

its a tradeoff, you know, those things where you get something for something given.

in this case, Safi is built to be straight DPS, minimal survivability. you take health damage per weapon swing even. its the skilled players meta DPS set.

Alatreon's set, is the balance, you not only get some extra element for maxing out your resistances, but you also get super high elemental resistances and defense. making you tanky no matter what kind of attack hits you. this can be combined with fatalis for access to all secret skills. making it possible to be the ultimate in survival armor. but ultimately its a jack of all trades master of none armor. i use it frequently as a Comfy armor when i dont feel like putting out much effort into evading and want to swing away with reckless abandon.

[stealthdriver]

As you progress in the game and gain more experience as you improve, the dps skills become more important than defensive skills. You learn not to get hit as often and try to get your hunt times lower.

[jrubz]

Originally posted by Xilo The Odd:

its a tradeoff, you know, those things where you get something for something given.

in this case, Safi is built to be straight DPS, minimal survivability. you take health damage per weapon swing even. its the skilled players meta DPS set.

Alatreon's set, is the balance, you not only get some extra element for maxing out your resistances, but you also get super high elemental resistances and defense. making you tanky no matter what kind of attack hits you. this can be combined with fatalis for access to all secret skills. making it possible to be the ultimate in survival armor. but ultimately its a jack of all trades master of none armor. i use it frequently as a Comfy armor when i dont feel like putting out much effort into evading and want to swing away with reckless abandon.

health augment essentially nullifies that, and the benefit of getting healed with it doubles how broken that can be.

I love safi armor and wish there were more unique things like it, but I like it when those sets BECOME special with certain weapons.

Just look at Frostcraft, Greatsword was straight buffed when AT velkana released.

On the other hand, while element isn't always king, it could have been meta for those wanting even higher elemental damage from things like phials in Chargeblades and (possibly even tho elemental phials from them aren't purely element) switch axes.

But instead it hardly gives a boost with 0 true benefits to an endgame player. Even the Furious Rajang set was made for heroics players when it came out.

Escadora really just wasn't made for anyone...

[♋Phenex]

It's more for comfort as it has good deco slots and bulkiness with the positive elemental resists. Fatalis of course is just beyond busted so you would either use that or safi for elemental DPS.

[lexilogo]

I remember hearing some rumbling that maaaaaybe it could be useful, but... Yeah no, I haven't seen it anywhere, and I was just fundamentally disappointed with how much the armor failed to excite me.

Don't get me wrong, I was never expecting anything that could top Safi or Velkhana for oddball factor combined with strength, and I thought the Set Bonus was fitting, but the stat bonuses are just so low.


I would've preferred something ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like "Elemental Chaos: Weapon elemental damage automatically changes to the most effective element on each hit" as a 4-piece set bonus with everything Alatreon currently has for the 2-piece. That still wouldn't have been meta in my estimation, but it would've been extremely unique.

[★ Moonlight ★]

If you use part Safi, Part Alatreon and slot in enough defense boost to get the element resist, plus 2 full element resist and eat for element resist up you can get more element than full safi as well as tons of defense but loose the affinity boost from full safi. This is the only use of Alatreon gear as far as I know, and its only really useful if you can't dodge well and want to take on Fatalis

[AfLIcTeD]

Originally posted by ★moonlight★:

If you use part Safi, Part Alatreon and slot in enough defense boost to get the element resist, plus 2 full element resist and eat for element resist up you can get more element than full safi as well as tons of defense but loose the affinity boost from full safi. This is the only use of Alatreon gear as far as I know, and its only really useful if you can't dodge well and want to take on Fatalis

Fatalis will still 2 shot you even with that, so... Plus you only need fire for him, all the other resists go to waste. The only reason to wear Alatreon armour is to fight Alatreon really.

[Crusader]

Originally posted by JRubz:

the moment you put it on and you get like a guranteed addition of 30 to your element. I stack resistances like mad beyond 25 each and the best I can get even after eating for +15 resistance at the canteen nets me with only 130+ in my element?

I have to waste so many points and it still comes nowhere close to the meager yet strong 150+ you get from safi armor not accounting for the automatic 20-40% you get for free...

What programmer made the scaling for this armor, cause the balancing for it sucks for endgame armor...

Alatreon is more powerful than before but its armor is stripped of everything good it can do...

It’s simple.

Because the devs didn’t care in that update. It’z the laziest update in the game. And anyone who’s complaining about power creep, would you rather have all of the dlc monsters be irrelevant gear wise so that no one ever farms them?

[JebKerman]

Originally posted by Crusader:

...Because the devs didn’t care in that update. It’z the laziest update in the game...

Well that seems objectively false. If it was lazy, or they didn't care, then it'd be something like the earliest Arch-Tempered monsters, a very slight rehash of an existing monster that rewards armour that's basically the same as it's original, but better. Said update came with a completely new monster for the game, with unique mechanics (for better or worse) that did have thought put into them, and armour with a unique (if surprisingly weedy) set bonus.

[★ Moonlight ★]

Originally posted by AfLIcTeD:

Fatalis will still 2 shot you even with that

Wrong. Some attacks that would 2 shot will now 3 shot from full health instead. Its still hardly a difference, but if you are pressed for faints it CAN make the difference between slaying him and failing the quest. Granted, at that point you are a liability to anyone trying to SOS the farming quest so you should git gud, but I digress

[~KeNnEtH~]

It's a more defensive set.

Safi - Damage over survivability
Alatreon - Survivability over damage
Fatalis - Damage, Survivability, Utility over fire and dragon resistance

The design concept was probably "since most of the time players give up defensive skills to boost damage especially the speed runners, let's give them a set that rewards some damage when they add in defensive skills. It probably won't change the speed runners' mindset but for normal players whom are our target audience, there must be a point where they will think that damage added is enough and that the boost in defense is enough to cover the loss in damage that could be added."

Maybe they could have tweaked it a bit more so that it adds more damage but I think it's because it adds to elemental damage which is not great for majority of the weapons.

[AfLIcTeD]

Originally posted by ~KeNnEtH~:

Maybe they could have tweaked it a bit more so that it adds more damage but I think it's because it adds to elemental damage which is not great for majority of the weapons.

I think that's the main downside. There are only 3, maybe 4 weapons that are good for elemental so that limits the armour set even more.

[JPM岩]

Originally posted by ~KeNnEtH~:

It's a more defensive set.

Safi - Damage over survivability
Alatreon - Survivability over damage
Fatalis - Damage, Survivability, Utility over fire and dragon resistance

The design concept was probably "since most of the time players give up defensive skills to boost damage especially the speed runners, let's give them a set that rewards some damage when they add in defensive skills. It probably won't change the speed runners' mindset but for normal players whom are our target audience, there must be a point where they will think that damage added is enough and that the boost in defense is enough to cover the loss in damage that could be added."

Maybe they could have tweaked it a bit more so that it adds more damage but I think it's because it adds to elemental damage which is not great for majority of the weapons.

Behold, the rare forum goer with a brain.

[AfLIcTeD]

Originally posted by ~KeNnEtH~:

It's a more defensive set.

Safi - Damage over survivability
Alatreon - Survivability over damage
Fatalis - Damage, Survivability, Utility over fire and dragon resistance

The design concept was probably "since most of the time players give up defensive skills to boost damage especially the speed runners, let's give them a set that rewards some damage when they add in defensive skills. It probably won't change the speed runners' mindset but for normal players whom are our target audience, there must be a point where they will think that damage added is enough and that the boost in defense is enough to cover the loss in damage that could be added."

Maybe they could have tweaked it a bit more so that it adds more damage but I think it's because it adds to elemental damage which is not great for majority of the weapons.

Alatreon armour isn't even a defensive set. It has crit eye, resentment and attack boost. The only defensive part about the armour is the resistances. The armour is supposed to be about elemental damage, yet all the skills boost raw.
I would say Safi armour is more defensive than Alatreon since it has Evade Window. A lot more effective than resistances. Best to not get hit at all than reduce the damage.