Does Alatreon scale with # of players?

[Zhou Yu]

Is his health like any other monster (just Alatreon sized) or is his health meant for a group of four like Behemoth or Kulve Taroth? I’m asking because I keep seeing people claiming it’s easier to solo him, and I want to make sure It’s simply me sucking instead of the feat being nigh impossible.

[Faust Wither]

yes the health are lower when solo, people claim it easier because its hard to find good party.

[Zhou Yu]

Oh just thought of a bonus question. I’ve tried vitality mantle for his nuke but I can’t tell if it actually reduces any damage or if the nuke just blows through it instantly. It certainly seems like it might help since it is clearly used up during the opening but it could also just be a “thing” with the attack the removes the mantle or something.

[lexilogo]

Originally posted by Zhou Yu:

Oh just thought of a bonus question. I’ve tried vitality mantle for his nuke but I can’t tell if it actually reduces any damage or if the nuke just blows through it instantly. It certainly seems like it might help since it is clearly used up during the opening but it could also just be a “thing” with the attack the removes the mantle or something.

After testing it myself, Vitality mantle DOES help with the nuke. I expected it would, because it's essentially an invisible max health extension that you can't restore.

I think that a perfectly timed Vitality Mantle + Astera Jerky eating + Health Booster can allow you to survive the high-power version of the nuke. However, you'd need to time your jerky eating very well in order to heal when you have an absolute fraction of your max health remaining.

[stealthdriver]

Damn. That's disappointing.

[Faust Wither]

I actually want to know too, because if we fail elemental damage check we die in nova, seems it will always eat twice of our health or more, but if we did stop the nova we still can survive by standing in health booster.

Originally posted by lexilogo:

Originally posted by Zhou Yu:

Oh just thought of a bonus question. I’ve tried vitality mantle for his nuke but I can’t tell if it actually reduces any damage or if the nuke just blows through it instantly. It certainly seems like it might help since it is clearly used up during the opening but it could also just be a “thing” with the attack the removes the mantle or something.

After testing it myself, Vitality mantle DOES help with the nuke. I expected it would, because it's essentially an invisible max health extension that you can't restore.

I think that a perfectly timed Vitality Mantle + Astera Jerky eating + Health Booster can allow you to survive the high-power version of the nuke. However, you'd need to time your jerky eating very well in order to heal when you have an absolute fraction of your max health remaining.

so you survive or?

[Zhou Yu]

Eeesh, well that makes the mantle at least somewhat useful. Good to know, thanks.

[Tng]

I don’t have the exact number but solo it should be around 50k, 2p = 80k,3~4 > 100k hp.

[Zhou Yu]

Originally posted by Henzukaya:

So, I attempted Alatreon with some trusted friends. We attempted twice, got our asses handed to us both times, purely because once his ultimate was used, everyone died instantly. Team Wipe. Not fun.

One of the attempts, we managed to breakthrough the threshold that severely weakened his ultimate. We still don't know what exactly that threshold was nor how to best break it.

I then did some solo testing against him and was able to discover a bunch of quirks to the fight itself. Feel free to add any extra information you find and test reliably.

Alatreon's Ultimate, if the threshold is not met, will do enough damage to destroy everyone. It's chip damage as opposed to a one shot like other monsters. We attempted to tank through the damage with 4 Health Boosters clustered together and Rocksteady Mantles. To no avail. This is because of a key factor the Ultimate has.

- It ignores Defense and Element Resistance.

I tested this with the basic armor for fighting, and again with armor that had 1680 Defense and 50 Fire, 40 Ice and Dragon. In both instances, the damage was the same. Essentially, if you don't meet the threshold, everyone dies.

- Farcasters are disabled completely.

If you haven't already noticed, you are completely unable to use Farcasters at any time during the fight. I believe this to be entirely a glitch or bug. It's also possible this was intentional. If so, f@*& you, Capcom.

- Alatreon will pop his ultimate every 6 minutes consistently

Whether you do no damage or whether you do a ton of damage, he will, no matter what, use his ultimate around the 6 minute mark, then again at the 12 minute, 18 minute, and so on.

- Each elemental attack has caveats

He mainly uses fire and ice and lightning in his attacks. Most prominently, Fire Bombs, Fire Beam, Fire AOE Breath, Ice Beam, Ice AOE Breath. The lightning damage only comes from the wide strike clusters or the random field bolts. Wide strike cluster is targeted, field bolts are completely random. Water is an element he rarely pulls out. Dragon only comes out in an AOE blast centered on him. This means that Dragonblight is pretty rare in this fight, as is Waterblight. This can be useful and means you don't need to invest in Water or Dragon resist.

- He can be Flinch Shot from the sky and brought down

Though how you can do this sucks balls. Because of how much he flails about, and because him so much as moving will make his entire body become a hitbox, its next to impossible without Temporal or Rocksteady. But it can be used as valuable down time to hit him a bunch.

Conclusion: I think the best approach is to solo Alatreon. He doesn't have as much health as in groups, the threshold is smaller, but most of all, you have to use Faints as a currency. Deal enough damage here, Alatreon Ultimate, faint. Rinse and Repeat. With Insurance and Safeguard (both of which stack independently) you can get 5 faints before GG. Your best bet is to disregard Defense and Element Resist (for the most part) and focus almost entirely on damage.

According to this guy the nuke is all true damage and basically impossible to survive if you don’t weaken it. I’m curious given a couple weeks just how much damage that thing does and what it would theoretically take to survive it perfectly.