Strongest monster lore wise.

[侍Kage]

What is the strongest monster lore wise? My bet is on Savage Deviljho or Ruiner Nergigante. Savage Devil is just savage for sure. Even destroying some Elder Dragons in 1v1 combat :0

[Uugly]

Human overpopulate. Fatalis come and destroy human. Check and Balance. The real world we got coronavirus to do that job.

[Apo[C]]

Originally posted by Juliane_L:

Originally posted by ★moonlight★:

They should add black dragons to world.

they will probably in title updates, but they will probably be the last monster intoduced. also safi'jiva is MAYBE a black dragon. we don't have confirmation yet but that is a possibility.

Safi is a red dragon,Capcom already confirmed it

[Lozee]

Originally posted by ApoC:

Safi is a red dragon,Capcom already confirmed it

So is that a new classification ?

[TyresTyco]

Now that there is a bunch of fatalis info here. I'm pretty sure that fatalis won't come in this game.

Why would fatalis care about an small island and its magic guiding lands where nerg already does the "balance" thing.

Alatreon would make so much more sense at this point mhm.

[Juliane_L]

Originally posted by Lozee:

Originally posted by ApoC:

Safi is a red dragon,Capcom already confirmed it

So is that a new classification ?

no, just the name of his quest. Capcom never said "safi'jiva is a red dragon"

[Cali Starbunn]

Meowscular Chef (but seriously lore wise white fatalis, but by in game hardness I would go for shagaru magala)

[Fregi]

Originally posted by Presh:

Basically what others have said..

In MHW only it's Safi.
In MH lore in total it's White Fatalis.

Black Dragons are canonically the strongest and Safi has characteristics of a black dragon (it's armour and weapons appear to be still alive even after you've defeated it). Although the game has specifically called it a the Red Dragon, it's likely to sit along the same vein. If Safi's armour and weapons are still alive, then it's definitely higher than an elder dragon and closer to a black dragon.

nergigante's weapons are also technically alive, the spikes still grow. what's your point?

[Bop]

Originally posted by IcyTea Lemon:

What is the strongest monster lore wise? My bet is on Savage Deviljho or Ruiner Nergigante. Savage Devil is just savage for sure. Even destroying some Elder Dragons in 1v1 combat :0

Hunters are the strongest monsters. Specially speed runners

[Latency Packetloss]

Originally posted by IcyTea Lemon:

What is the strongest monster lore wise? My bet is on Savage Deviljho or Ruiner Nergigante. Savage Devil is just savage for sure. Even destroying some Elder Dragons in 1v1 combat :0

Disappointed that no one has mentioned Dodogama yet.

[Chomp Dude]

Pure physical capabilities? Possibly Dalamadur, just from the sheer size of the damn thing. It's big enough to comfortably wrap around Jhen Mohran and crush it to death. Power-wise it'd probably go to White Fatalis.

[Fate]

I would put my bet on Disufiroa, specifically the Solstice War due to it losing control of the elements and simply becoming stronger. Now of course white fatalis is the end all be all in most situations, and black dragons are really the only things you can argue are stronger or even equal to it due to its sheer power.

[JPM岩]

Originally posted by Ghost, Get in the damn Lab:

Originally posted by JPM岩:

The fall of Schrade far more recent, only about a thousand years ago, because there is one wyvernian ancient still alive, the blackmith that taught EVERY blacksmith how to smith. He's part of a quest line in Gen, and all of his students are surprised he's alive because he's so old. Also, the fall of Schrade cant be thousands of years old, because numerous Wyvernians have known humans that had lived in Schrade.
Fatalis was known to be the destroyer of Schrade (it wasnt a mystery at all, even the elder of Kokoto knew it because he had seen it). In MHStories, the fall of the Ancients was talked about, as Redan, the founder of the Riders, was trying to warn the Kingdom of Schrade about Fatalis, and they didnt believe him, and he died along side hundreds of others trying to stop Fatalis.
Fatalis and Dire are immortal (both part of the Miralis family), Fatalis can regenerate from their eyes, Dire can regenerate from their heart, it just takes a long time. The giant sword in Pokke Village Mystery cave is a Fatalis Greatsword that keeps growing, and will eventually grow into a Fatalis.
The Guild knows a TON about Black Dragons. It's just that them showing up is a REALLY bad sign, and it's kind of at that hope hoping someone can kill them. Hell, there was so much stuff about alatreon documented that there's info on an unknown blue subspecies. And Disu was heavily researched before the 9999 Disu was found and didnt kill itself.

Okay one you can't claim a thousand years is recent lmao.
On a more serious side mentioning MHStories lore and such is irrlevant as there's no way of knowing if anything from Stories is canon to mainline, Frontier is iffy cause I do know the legend of the Black Fatalis and that games G-rank Fatalis is canon.
As for the Fatalis and Dire being immortal, again nothing to prove that besides in-game legends thats not a confirmed thing by Capcom nor the guild just a legend. The Sword in Pokke village doesn't mean it can rebirth itself just that the regen factor is strong.
Lastly the guild doesn't know a lot about the Black Dragons or at least not all of them. I can not speak about Frontier due to not only never played it but a langauge barrier but for mainline the Guild has known very little about them. Thats why to this day The Black Dragons in Mainline do not have an icon.

https://monsterhunter.fandom.com/wiki/Dangerous_First-Class_Monsters MH wiki even says it in the first paragraph.

You can say a thousand years is recent in certain context. Cleopatra was born closer to the moon landing than the building of the pyramids. A thousand years is not a long time, all things considered, especially when there are MH characters who are 800 years old.
Frontier is confirmed canon, Mezeporte is practically physically connected to Dundorma. I only say Stories is canon because A: numerous elements in game are mentioned heavily in Frontier, like 5+ years ago (things like Ancients taming monsters and using them for combat, or keeping them as pets) and B: the anime (which follows the game's story to a T) was the most accurate piece of Monster Hunter media art-wise. Every item that was shown looked exactly as it did in the first MH Art book, which we wouldnt see again until World.
Regeneration and rebirth are two different things. Regeneration is something real world lizards and amphibians do, most commonly tails, but can regrow entire limbs quickly. Fatalis in every form of media have always been immortal, coming back after dying, and Dire is the same way.
Again, the Guild knows A LOT about Black Dragons. Canonically, at least 9 fatalis have been hunted in the past 15 years, 6 crimson, 6 white, 2 dire, 4 alatreon, with recordings of one blue subspieces, and 3 disu, one being Solstice.

Originally posted by Lozee:

Originally posted by ApoC:

Safi is a red dragon,Capcom already confirmed it

So is that a new classification ?

Originally posted by Juliane_L:

Originally posted by Lozee:

So is that a new classification ?

no, just the name of his quest. Capcom never said "safi'jiva is a red dragon"

It's not a new classification, thats just Safi's official title. It's title doesnt include 黒龍 or a similar relation, meaning it's not a "Dangerous First-Class Monster".

Originally posted by Fate:

I would put my bet on Disufiroa, specifically the Solstice War due to it losing control of the elements and simply becoming stronger. Now of course white fatalis is the end all be all in most situations, and black dragons are really the only things you can argue are stronger or even equal to it due to its sheer power.

Solstice War actually causes Disu to gain control of it's elemental powers. Non Solstice kills itself with seraphim.

[lexilogo]

Originally posted by Chomp Dude:

Pure physical capabilities? Possibly Dalamadur, just from the sheer size of the damn thing. It's big enough to comfortably wrap around Jhen Mohran and crush it to death. Power-wise it'd probably go to White Fatalis.

Dalamadur is a beast but if you want to go to Frontier, Laviente dwarfs it. I'd also argue if we want to talk about physical capabilities, Shara Ishvalda is worth thinking about, as its control over vibration could wreak as much havoc as a Dalamadur, and from a distance.

Originally posted by JPM岩:

Canonically, at least 9 fatalis have been hunted in the past 15 years, 6 crimson, 6 white, 2 dire, 4 alatreon, with recordings of one blue subspieces, and 3 disu, one being Solstice.

Are you sure about that? It seems strange to me to count every single Quest as canon. You'd struggle to convince me six seperate White Fatalis even exist in the MH universe canonically.

Personally I argue every Black Dragon has been canonically hunted in the events of the games once each, at most maybe a couple of normal Fatalis have been stumbled across and hunted. Stuff like Generations can probably be discounted.

[Lozee]

Originally posted by JPM岩:

It's not a new classification, thats just Safi's official title. It's title doesnt include 黒龍 or a similar relation, meaning it's not a "Dangerous First-Class Monster".

In terms of power, i think safi'jiva can be considered first class threat monster (white fatalis is only monster that can surpass him ? ), and not being labled so is probably because safi'jiva has no desire destroying human kind, but that's my speculation.
Anyways, where does behemoth fit (he belongs to FF but let's discuss)? You think he could rival the big guys since he has some devastating attacks (like ecliptic meteor) ?

[Alby]

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