Dung pods werent working.

[EvilJoshy]

I was browsing the guiding lands and gold rathian appeared. About half way in silver ratholos joined in -.- i fired several dung pods at him and he never left. Then a tempered diabolos crashed the party and he wouldnt leave either.
Is there certain monsters or circumstances where dung doesnt force them to leave?

[Faust Wither]

some monster won't go away in thier enraged state, while there are special monster like elder dragon, gold rathian and silver rathalos that resist agains it.

[Franz]

Reading around there seem to be a bit of uncertainty as why this is the case, some say dung pods have a chance to not work, some say they get canceled by the enraged state, by flinching the monster or even just by attacking them.
I had the same happen with the metallic raths when they appear in tandem (in either GL or the optional quest) and black diablos, on any other monster the pods seem to still be always working almost instantly, so I'm inclined to believe it's something special about those monsters, not the pods.

[lexilogo]

The metallic Raths are a special case because they are single-zone monsters. Their AI is programmed to never leave their one zone so while the Dung Pods are telling them "leave the zone" their AI responds "there is no zone to leave to".

Elder Dragons also have an outright immunity to Dung Pods.

[Melchahim]

I think there's a special interaction between Silver Rathalos and Gold Rathian so if in GL you want to fight one of them you should assure that there's not the other one around.

[Sery]

Theres a tip somewhere that says when hitting the monster with the dung pod in the face its more likely to leave. Its just a chance. Elder dragons cant be dung poded anyways.
And if you poop on someone they have a 30sec "buff" where firing additional dung pods does nothing.

[Franz]

Oprindeligt skrevet af lexilogo:

The metallic Raths are a special case because they are single-zone monsters. Their AI is programmed to never leave their one zone so while the Dung Pods are telling them "leave the zone" their AI responds "there is no zone to leave to".

Elder Dragons also have an outright immunity to Dung Pods.

That can be the case for the quest, but in GL they definitely aren't single-zone or even single-region and still I couldn't make either one leave the area with dung pods.

[lexilogo]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Franz:

That can be the case for the quest, but in GL they definitely aren't single-zone or even single-region and still I couldn't make either one leave the area with dung pods.

Nope, Guiding Lands metal raths are still single-region. Silverlos never leaves Zone 11 and Goldthian never leaves Zone 9.

I assume they'd be willing to leave their zones while enraged, as enraged monsters will follow you essentially anywhere, but they are indeed single-zone monsters.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Melchahim:

I think there's a special interaction between Silver Rathalos and Gold Rathian so if in GL you want to fight one of them you should assure that there's not the other one around.

Also, I believe this is true as well.

Rathalos and Rathian are "allied" monsters so while their friendship isn't as explicit as Luna/Teo's bond attack, either one can in fact call to the other one if it's on the map to come help.

However, I think this is subspecies/rare species exclusive, so standards will call to each other, Azure and Pink will call to each other, and the metals will call to each other. Pretty sure you won't see a Goldthian come to back up a standard Rathalos.

[Plenum]

The Rath pair always come to one another aid if both are present on a map and one is under attack, this goes for the Gold/Silver variants as well. And since neither Gold or Silver will zone away during an engagement, ever, poop will never work on them. Even is it did, it would only be for the time it would take for one of them to fly away and back again in the zone the mate is, so a minute at best.
I've been to a couple GLs myself with one of the monster as a target and the other either present or unfortunately spawning elsewere midway in the fight, and having to deal with either fighting both at once or give up and leaving, with most other players present not knowing the implication of both Raths being present. Hopefully this knowledge spreads as time goes by.

[River Victor]

Gold and Silver will never leave the area they fight you in. They can be forced to leave through persistence, but they always come back immediately.

Gold and Silver will always work in pair when their counterparts are present on the same map. They have their battle/help call. The other will immediately join the one you're fighting with. It will be very very difficult, if not impossible to untangle them once they join. Los and Ian also have that mechanic. In older games, Gold/Silver will sense when the other dies and come to investigate the area its mate falls. Once they see its mate's body, it will fly into rage immediately.

Elder Dragons are immune to dung pods.

[Franz]

Oprindeligt skrevet af lexilogo:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Franz:

That can be the case for the quest, but in GL they definitely aren't single-zone or even single-region and still I couldn't make either one leave the area with dung pods.

Nope, Guiding Lands metal raths are still single-region. Silverlos never leaves Zone 11 and Goldthian never leaves Zone 9.

I stand corrected but only on nomenclature, they are single zone but still move between different areas within the same zone (eg Silver stays in zone 11 but can move in all its length from the forest clearing up to the higher level of the coral reef). Also they are both able to spawn in the Volcano region and I had a Silver join Gold all the way from Volcano to Wasteland, so they aren't region bound.

I'm not saying your idea is necessarily wrong, I'm saying they aren't bound to a single spot in GL as they are in the small den in Recess.

[Greb]

Pretty sure Silver Rathian and Gold Rathian are either immune to it or require Dungmaster for it to work on them, yeah. They're region locked in most cases, so testing it is tricky.

If you're lucky enough (or lure) a Silver and Gold in the Guiding Lands, they can call each other for support (same as Rathian + Rathalos and Pink Rathian + Azure Rathalos) which means they will leave their designated zone, however I've only seen this happen like twice and never thought to use a dung pod on the joining one to test it, etc.

Also dung pods will not work against Elder Dragons - you almost never need to care about this, but there's one such quest involving a Teostra + Lunastra where there's a good chance they'll hang out together, and when this happens it complicates the fight something awful and you can't break up the party, etc. Good thing that's High Rank and thus "obsolete" now, but still.

[EvilJoshy]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Melchahim:

I think there's a special interaction between Silver Rathalos and Gold Rathian so if in GL you want to fight one of them you should assure that there's not the other one around.

I was fighting gold rathian at the edge of the wastes. I guess sometime after fighting her Silver spawned. He normally spawns in the coral highlands, which is on the opposite side of the guiding lands. During the fight Silver came all the way from the highlands to the wastes. There's probably some sort of mechanic where if they are both in the GL and one is being attacked the other shows up.
I was fighting gold in the wastes. We never left the wastes. I never went to the highlands to bother silver. Silver wasn't even in the GL at the start of the fight. I think there's even a log in the handbook that says these two tend to stick together. Which makes me believe there's some special rule when it comes to these 2.

[Narcoleptic Marshmallow]

Oprindeligt skrevet af EvilJoshy:

if they are both in the GL and one is being attacked the other shows up.

This is exactly what happens and, since they're both programmed to not change areas under any other circumstance, dung dops don't work on them.

Which is why you should avoid having both Wildspire and Coral regions leveled up at the same time if you plan on hunting either of them.

[EvilJoshy]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Narcoleptic Marshmallow:

Oprindeligt skrevet af EvilJoshy:

if they are both in the GL and one is being attacked the other shows up.

This is exactly what happens and, since they're both programmed to not change areas under any other circumstance, dung dops don't work on them.

Which is why you should avoid having both Wildspire and Coral regions leveled up at the same time if you plan on hunting either of them.

It was annoying and yet interesting. They were occasionally fighting each other as much as me lol. I need like one more silver lash to upgrade my 3rd weapon then I can probably afford to let the highlands delvl.