"Souls-like"

[AK-47s For Everyone]

It's funny because this IP has existed since 2004. Everything is "souls-like" these days (♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cancer).

[Aris]

Setting is part of world design it's not just refering to how the levels design which actually what they refer to.

In the context of game design, world design is strictly only about how the world/levels are laid out. In this article it's not explicitly said, that's true (there's another article where it's explicitly said soulslike games don't need to have a dark fantasy setting), but it gives examples of souls-like games that don't use a dark fantasy setting (actually, I think the only other soulslike game that uses a dark fantasy setting is Lord of the Fallen). (and MH is not dark fantasy either).

Now, not every game in the souls-like genre is going to check all of these boxes. To be considered a souls-like game.
SO again vague

That's basically how all genres work. You choose the genre that more closely matches the game. MH is generaly classified as JRPG, but it doesn't have a leveling/XP system (well, it does for your pet, but it's just a useless number AFAIK). It's actually good that a game doesn't check all the boxes of a genre, it generally means it's trying to innovate in some way (this is basically how roguelikes (classic definition) started to evolve into other things).

To me we all agreed on the English language means and souls-like, just like rogue-like is what it says it is something similar that is all.

Souls-like and rogue-like are just names given to specific things. You have to look at the definition of the term as an entity, not at the meaning of each separate word. There's specific definition for souls-like as a single word, the same there's a specific definition for <insert any compound word here>.

Using the popular terminology will attract more attention and thus, more sales.

And then disapointment when people buy the game and find out it's really not souls-like. And people that don't like souls-like games (there are a lot) won't even try this game because people say it's souls-like (I've seen this happen with other games). In both cases, calling MH solus-like is just a disservice to the game (you attract people that are not really searching for a game like MH, and scare away people that might actually like it).

[Bodhsativa]

Originally posted by ImHelping:

But seriously.

You'll never stop being compared to Darksouls until you stop acting exactly like sterotypical Darksouls fanboys, regardless of the gameplay differences.

The rest of us are just having a respectful discussion. What do we consider "souls-like", what qualifies it and does this fit it.... Nobody is hurling insults, being rude or even ignoring each other's points.
You're the only person here that's complaining while not joining in the discussion with anything relevant.

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Originally posted by Alice:

Yeah it's insulting to MH franchise. I mean, MHW is indeed the easiest out of all MH game, but comparing this to Dark Souls is just plain disrespectful. Young kids nowadays, smh.

As a souls player, MHW isn't souls like at all. The story, the lore, the combat, the boss battles, the mechanics....none of it is the same lol.

I would honestly find comparing MHW to the souls series disrespectful lol as the souls series has a better story, a better way or story telling, better world buidling, and better lore.

[Panic Fire]

Originally posted by Xilia:

Who made this comparison? Demon souls took some inspiration from mh series on the health and stamina system

No it didn't. They took the hp and stamina system Fromsoft used in the Evergrace series of games they made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW61DAQqA0U

[jackhickman999]

Originally posted by Aris:

Setting is part of world design it's not just refering to how the levels design which actually what they refer to.

In the context of game design, world design is strictly only about how the world/levels are laid out. In this article it's not explicitly said, that's true (there's another article where it's explicitly said soulslike games don't need to have a dark fantasy setting), but it gives examples of souls-like games that don't use a dark fantasy setting (actually, I think the only other soulslike game that uses a dark fantasy setting is Lord of the Fallen). (and MH is not dark fantasy either).

Now, not every game in the souls-like genre is going to check all of these boxes. To be considered a souls-like game.
SO again vague

That's basically how all genres work. You choose the genre that more closely matches the game. MH is generaly classified as JRPG, but it doesn't have a leveling/XP system (well, it does for your pet, but it's just a useless number AFAIK). It's actually good that a game doesn't check all the boxes of a genre, it generally means it's trying to innovate in some way (this is basically how roguelikes (classic definition) started to evolve into other things).

To me we all agreed on the English language means and souls-like, just like rogue-like is what it says it is something similar that is all.

Souls-like and rogue-like are just names given to specific things. You have to look at the definition of the term as an entity, not at the meaning of each separate word. There's specific definition for souls-like as a single word, the same there's a specific definition for <insert any compound word here>.

Using the popular terminology will attract more attention and thus, more sales.

And then disapointment when people buy the game and find out it's really not souls-like. And people that don't like souls-like games (there are a lot) won't even try this game because people say it's souls-like (I've seen this happen with other games). In both cases, calling MH solus-like is just a disservice to the game (you attract people that are not really searching for a game like MH, and scare away people that might actually like it).

That just a load of non-sense you're making out level design and world design are same thing.
They're not your setting and the style behind them come under world design.
Stop talking out your ass.
World design
World design is the creation of a backstory, setting, and theme for the game; often done by a lead designer. [40] World design can also be the creation of a universe or a map, as well as topics or areas that are likely to be pursued by the player. It is a map referenced for creation of everything as it shows where it is and allows for the most logistical design in any given game.
I can go and get my books out and give you more reliable sources.


Yeah souls-like has no clear cut meaning it happened the same with rogue-like where it went from similar to some stupid definition. Mostly because of triggered people and then we had the term rogue-lite to make it even more obvious that it was to stop them being triggered.
Most souls-likes game have darker undertones. Surge , lords of the fallen, dead cells etc etc.

It's the people with problems with the word, they try to make it have a more clear cut meaning and it ends it up getting stupid. If you make it specific the more it goes from being souls-like to it has to be dark souls. Which is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ llalalalaa ♥♥♥♥♥♥ land.

There is no true/sole definition of the word souls-like that is the point.

Point 2 that you made is pretty pointless, the one about how monster hunter has leveling and yet it doesn't. Please keep it concise and relevant. This basically has no point or arguement to it.

[Aris]

That just a load of non-sense you're making out level design and world design are same thing.
They're not your setting and the style behind them come under world design.
Stop talking out your♥♥♥♥♥
World design
World design is the creation of a backstory, setting, and theme for the game; often done by a lead designer. [40] World design can also be the creation of a universe or a map, as well as topics or areas that are likely to be pursued by the player. It is a map referenced for creation of everything as it shows where it is and allows for the most logistical design in any given game.

The second definition is the one used in this context (the first definition talks about the story aspect, not the gameplay). Yeah, iit's somewhat a sinonym of level design, but since there aren't levels in Dark Souls since it's all a single map (mostly at least), the term world design is more apropiate. In Dark Souls level design is sometimes used to refer to the design of each zone.

Yeah souls-like has no clear cut meaning it happened the same with rogue-like where it went from similar to some stupid definition. Mostly because of triggered people and then we had the term rogue-lite to make it even more obvious that it was to stop them being triggered.

Or maybe people want to keep the meaning of the terms, instead of changing them just because? That just causes confusion. See how I had to write "rogue-like (classical definition)" in my post? If we just keep the meaning of rogue-like as it has always been and add the term rogue-lite (or whatever other name people prefer), I wouldn't have had the need to add a clarification between parenthesis.

Point 2 that you made is pretty pointless, the one about how monster hunter has leveling and yet it doesn't. Please keep it concise and relevant. This basically has no point or arguement to it.

It was just an example to show that it happens with all genres, that games not necesarily have to check all the marks in order to be considered of a certain genre. I didn't say that MH has leveling but it doesn't. It doesn't have leveling. I mentioned the pet thing just in case you wanted to nitpick and say that your pet gains xp and levels up.

It all comes to this: if someone asked you what genre MH is, what would you answer: JRPG or souls-like? or maybe some other thing?

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Most souls-likes game have darker undertones. Surge , lords of the fallen, dead cells etc etc.

Well, it's not that rare that certain genres tend to pair with certain themes or settings (like western RPGs have a fantasy setting very frequently). That doesn't mean the theme defines the genre. BTW, in that video by Mark Brown it explainsh why Dead Cells is not a souls-like either. Metroidvania rogue-like? Much better.

[Sterming]

It doesn't matter if this IP has existed since 2004 or not. It's still souls-like. Because first, souls is much more popular than this ♥♥♥♥, I didn't even know it was existed until it's last game released. Second souls series has better and certain mechanics unlike this ♥♥♥♥. So it is souls-like now. How come you dare to compare this mediocre talentless ♥♥♥♥ to souls series? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cringe and cancer.

Originally posted by #4o4__Sk1LL_NoT_FoUnD:

People always compare every thing, to what they use/see first.

It's not that. It's because souls is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ masterpiece. Go be happy with your mediocre talentless ♥♥♥♥.

Originally posted by zero:

souls like: action rpgs where progress is lost upon death.

i can see the reason why the tag is there.

i can also see why the tag is not in the top 5

You don't lose progress upon death. You lose your souls if you die before getting your soul stain after death. But you lose nothing like progress.

Yes, it's in top 1.

Originally posted by Counter-Life™:

Yeah it's stupid. Boss patterns and dodging? Must be a souls-like game.

Ofc it's souls-like game, you casul. Just because you go sarcastic it doesn't change the fact. Souls have it's own mechanics and every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ action RPG games copy from souls not from Monster Hunter. Guess whyyy!

Originally posted by Alice:

Yeah it's insulting to MH franchise. I mean, MHW is indeed the easiest out of all MH game, but comparing this to Dark Souls is just plain disrespectful. Young kids nowadays, smh.

Comparing this mediocre talentless ♥♥♥♥ is disrespectful to souls masterpiece kiddo!

Originally posted by ZULUL:

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ normies think every games that had a challenge enemies is a souls like game lol

Nope. People think every games had a challenge enemies with souls mechanics is a souls-like game you casul!

Originally posted by Alice:

Originally posted by Ersatz:

ITT: People bitter that their franchise of choice hasn't had nearly the cultural impact that Dark Souls has had.

Keep being delusional kiddo, Dark Souls is just a mediocre game that try to follow MH amazing action style and died after 3 games (5 if you're counting scrubborne and that first whatever game on ps3 that is a massive failure). And comparing it to Monster Hunter which had released dozens of their main title and lots of spin-offs, soulsbaby is just like a speck of dust.

Keep being delusional kiddo. Dark Souls is a masterpiece and the best series in the universe. Just calling this masterpiece mediocre doesn't put it down to level of Monster Hunter mediocre talentless ♥♥♥♥. Try to follow? TRY TO FOLLOW? No way kid, Dark Souls has it's own mechanics, it doesn't follow any ♥♥♥♥. The other games follow the Dark Souls not Monster Hunter. Guess why?! It's not died. It's still being played. It has no new game after third one and it's good. If they tried to milk the franchise any further the quality would just take a nosedive. The story's done, better to end on a high note. So if they made more games that would be worse to the series. And From didn't want it to happen. We have dozens of CoD and AC games and look at their quality! And it's not 3 actually. There are 5 games that you mentioned. Bloodborne is not in the Dark Souls series and Demon's Souls too. But Demon's Souls is a bit closer to Dark Souls series lorewise. You are scrub, casul. Your existence is a massive failure. God is disappointed to create you. Yeah, it's Capcom. You're comparing awesome Japanese corporation which has money to one even better Japanese corporation but with less money. Now, begone.

Originally posted by gachiBASS:

In terms of which franchise is the most popular as well as being culturally impactful, Monster Hunter is up there, I mean this franchise got its own theme park, cafe and anime adaptations along with 14 or so games.

I'm pretty sure it's only in Asia like Japan. So what? Dark Souls has most memes in the internet. It has captured the internet. Real life doesn't matter. Maybe there is no Dark Souls themed park, cafe and anime adaptations because it's so dark fantasy. It doesn't fit with every people. But Monster Hunter is a bit casual.

Originally posted by Maskeno:

Originally posted by Ersatz:

Yeah, but Dark Souls captured the zeitgeist in a way that Monster Hunter never has. The first vacuum cleaner wasn't invented by Hoover, but that's the go-to colloquialism for the devices now. That's just the way it works.

Monster Hunter World is a great game in a great series, but to suggest that Dark Souls is in any way mediocre is just butt-hurt fanboyism.

There's no objective bar for quality. If there were I'd say dark souls is absolutely mediocre. I finished the first one, made it less than ten hours into the second one, and upon the insistence that the third was great, made it a whole hour in before losing interest.

The story is just a weird intentionally obscure fantasy hodgepodge and the gameplay tries to use flaws in programming as features. I'll admit I got sucked into the "I beat dark souls" hype back in the day, but upon analyzing, I realize I just abused myself with a very bland game that was notorious for nothing but being difficult.

Dark Souls is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hardcore masterpiece. Monster Hunter is mediocre talentless ♥♥♥♥!

[CiD EviL]

https://youtu.be/Rh1if49E9f4

[Sterming]

Originally posted by CiD EviL:

https://youtu.be/Rh1if49E9f4

What he says about it and Dark Souls? Don't wanna watch it. It's boring.

[HLDR]

Originally posted by Kirimasun:

It doesn't matter if this IP has existed since 2004 or not. It's still souls-like. Because first, souls is much more popular than this ♥♥♥♥, I didn't even know it was existed until it's last game released. Second souls series has better and certain mechanics unlike this ♥♥♥♥. So it is souls-like now. How come you dare to compare this mediocre talentless ♥♥♥♥ to souls series? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cringe and cancer.

Originally posted by #4o4__Sk1LL_NoT_FoUnD:

People always compare every thing, to what they use/see first.

It's not that. It's because souls is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ masterpiece. Go be happy with your mediocre talentless ♥♥♥♥.

Originally posted by zero:

souls like: action rpgs where progress is lost upon death.

i can see the reason why the tag is there.

i can also see why the tag is not in the top 5

You don't lose progress upon death. You lose your souls if you die before getting your soul stain after death. But you lose nothing like progress.

Yes, it's in top 1.

Originally posted by Counter-Life™:

Yeah it's stupid. Boss patterns and dodging? Must be a souls-like game.

Ofc it's souls-like game, you casul. Just because you go sarcastic it doesn't change the fact. Souls have it's own mechanics and every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ action RPG games copy from souls not from Monster Hunter. Guess whyyy!

Originally posted by Alice:

Yeah it's insulting to MH franchise. I mean, MHW is indeed the easiest out of all MH game, but comparing this to Dark Souls is just plain disrespectful. Young kids nowadays, smh.

Comparing this mediocre talentless ♥♥♥♥ is disrespectful to souls masterpiece kiddo!

Originally posted by ZULUL:

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ normies think every games that had a challenge enemies is a souls like game lol

Nope. People think every games had a challenge enemies with souls mechanics is a souls-like game you casul!

Originally posted by Alice:

Keep being delusional kiddo, Dark Souls is just a mediocre game that try to follow MH amazing action style and died after 3 games (5 if you're counting scrubborne and that first whatever game on ps3 that is a massive failure). And comparing it to Monster Hunter which had released dozens of their main title and lots of spin-offs, soulsbaby is just like a speck of dust.

Keep being delusional kiddo. Dark Souls is a masterpiece and the best series in the universe. Just calling this masterpiece mediocre doesn't put it down to level of Monster Hunter mediocre talentless ♥♥♥♥. Try to follow? TRY TO FOLLOW? No way kid, Dark Souls has it's own mechanics, it doesn't follow any ♥♥♥♥. The other games follow the Dark Souls not Monster Hunter. Guess why?! It's not died. It's still being played. It has no new game after third one and it's good. If they tried to milk the franchise any further the quality would just take a nosedive. The story's done, better to end on a high note. So if they made more games that would be worse to the series. And From didn't want it to happen. We have dozens of CoD and AC games and look at their quality! And it's not 3 actually. There are 5 games that you mentioned. Bloodborne is not in the Dark Souls series and Demon's Souls too. But Demon's Souls is a bit closer to Dark Souls series lorewise. You are scrub, casul. Your existence is a massive failure. God is disappointed to create you. Yeah, it's Capcom. You're comparing awesome Japanese corporation which has money to one even better Japanese corporation but with less money. Now, begone.

Originally posted by gachiBASS:

In terms of which franchise is the most popular as well as being culturally impactful, Monster Hunter is up there, I mean this franchise got its own theme park, cafe and anime adaptations along with 14 or so games.

I'm pretty sure it's only in Asia like Japan. So what? Dark Souls has most memes in the internet. It has captured the internet. Real life doesn't matter. Maybe there is no Dark Souls themed park, cafe and anime adaptations because it's so dark fantasy. It doesn't fit with every people. But Monster Hunter is a bit casual.

Originally posted by Maskeno:

There's no objective bar for quality. If there were I'd say dark souls is absolutely mediocre. I finished the first one, made it less than ten hours into the second one, and upon the insistence that the third was great, made it a whole hour in before losing interest.

The story is just a weird intentionally obscure fantasy hodgepodge and the gameplay tries to use flaws in programming as features. I'll admit I got sucked into the "I beat dark souls" hype back in the day, but upon analyzing, I realize I just abused myself with a very bland game that was notorious for nothing but being difficult.

Dark Souls is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hardcore masterpiece. Monster Hunter is mediocre talentless ♥♥♥♥!

Cringe...

[Remi]

Bait or actual soulsbab triggered.

[kuaikukia]

When people said DS is the hardest game, I'm always smh and shrug. In reality they don't even born and taste how hard 80ish console game like

[tehRein]

tldr
People hate ds cuz everyone referring to ds if the game is slightly difficult
BUT
U can't ignore the fact that dark souls was the first action rpg game on pc that turned up difficulty from baby mode to you mode
1) you can't choose difficulty and u will play the way devs intended
2) U don't have any special anime moves like in mh/darksiders e.t.c.
3) U don't have crazy amount of health right at the beginning
4) And leveling is tooooooooo slow compare to other games
You basically nobody and you get 2 shotted by everything and the armor doesn't work the way you want and you don't have millions of healing potions e.t.c.
I played a lot of difficult games but on my first ds1 playthrough i remember dying A LOT
Mushin tower in blade and salt? ez even undergeared
Custom difficulty in Killing floor 2? lmao gonna exploit that sweet rack'em up
duck sauce? BIG NO-NO ZONE
Yes dark souls is about rolling(тм) and spaming r1 but it's not as easy as you may think
And I also love when people who played ds a lot starts arguing that this game is ez peez
I mean now ds for me is: get battle axe→apply lube→you win
But if you great at sucking ♥♥♥♥ that doesn't mean that everyone has deep throat like yours
it's just means you are      who loves dark souls

Oh and btw if demon souls were on pc then everyone will be referring to demon souls
you know why?
because nobody cares about consoles

[Zerolimit]

If anything all the souls series is Hunter like lol

[CiD EviL]

And i thought the Fallout 4 vs Fallout New Vegas cry baby's were petty

You guys are taking petty to a whole new level