Are Fire Weapons weak?

[PossessingSpirit09]

It's me again. The same friends who told me they hated Gunlances also advised me to pickup and build fire weapons.

But lately, I've been having trouble outputting lots of damage, even though my weapons are near or rarity 5 level.

Have my friends fooled me again, or are fire weapons actually good for general use?

[Suzaku]

If you want general use, you go raw. Raw damage means no element, and is usually pretty powerful. Surprisingly, hard-hitting weapons hit hard.

Elements are really only good on a handful of weapon types, and they're only good if the monster is weak against that element. You're not going to be doing much damage trying to deal fire damage against Anjanath or ice damage against Legiana.

Since elemental damage is a flat increase in the damage, this means that faster weapons get the most benefit from them. Weapons like Sword and Shield, Dual Blades, and Bow can thrive when using the right elements, but slower weapons like Hammer and Greatsword don't benefit as much, as are often outclassed by their raw-damage variants.

[わふどーざー]

To answer your question, no, they arn't weak but fire weapons are NOT good for general use either because there's too many ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ firebased-fire resistant enemies in the monster roster..

Generally speaking, like Suzaku said, elements are only good for faster weapons that can pull multiple hits in short time. aka elements are weak on, say, great sword and strong on dualblades.

[Yoel]

Stop taking advice from these people lol

[DaBa]

Firstly, your friends sound like a terrible source of good advice, I'd avoid them. At least when it comes to taking advice.

Secondly, it depends on the weapon. There is no anwer to a question "are fire weapons bad". They are a bad choice if you want an all purpose weapon, better to focus on high raw then. Unless you're using Dual Blades. It's a loaded question, you need to be more specific.

[⋆ Beetroot ⋆]

Fire weapons are a joke, and a bad one at that

[!?!]

Depends on the weapon.
The joke is on you if you're running around with a fire greatsword.

[PossessingSpirit09]

Originally posted by !?!:

Depends on the weapon.
The joke is on you if you're running around with a fire greatsword.

Well I was investing my resources into fire switchaxes from both sides of the tree, so yea, the joke is on me.

[NikemanBOOM]

I have a Kjarr Axe "King" Switch Axe, but that's about it in terms of fire damage weapons I own. The 50% affinity with 700+ attack and 300 fire damage works pretty nice for a build, regardless of what kind of element it is.

[StormhawkV]

Originally posted by Suzaku:

Since elemental damage is a flat increase in the damage, this means that faster weapons get the most benefit from them.

In theory this is correct, but in reality low elemental hit modifiers and the need for crit element makes raw better on everything except Bow and Dual Blades unless you have Kjarr weapons in which case SnS, Lance, IG and Charge Blade can also be used with elements against certain monsters.

[lexilogo]

Originally posted by DaBa:

Firstly, your friends sound like a terrible source of good advice, I'd avoid them. At least when it comes to taking advice.

^ This is the second time they've said something very weird.

Okay, so there's a few things:

-No elemental weapon is really that good for general use because elemental resistances vary between monster to monster. With few exceptions, raw damage weapons are best for general use, and in the cases of weapons that work great with elemental damage, it's best to pick the element for the monster a lot of the time.

-Elemental damage is ideal for fast-hitting weapons like Bow or Dual Blades, Gunlance is not really among them.

-On top of that, Gunlance's shelling damage is not affected by elemental values, so whenever you shoot you are getting no value out of the element on your weapon.


From my understanding, most Gunlance users choose their Gunlances first based on what shelling types/levels they provide and which one that user prefers, (Wide/Normal/Long) not based on things like what kind of elemental damage they deal.

[⋆ Beetroot ⋆]

Originally posted by ThePacifist09:

Originally posted by !?!:

Depends on the weapon.
The joke is on you if you're running around with a fire greatsword.

Well I was investing my resources into fire switchaxes from both sides of the tree, so yea, the joke is on me.

Until iceborn is here Peak peformance + empress styx or deviljho + drachen is the meta for dps

[tag545]

for weapon choices i would suggest watching the jinjinx and tuna meta builds videos. i wouldnt try to copy their sets piece by piece since they are speed run glass cannon builds, but they will show which weapons are the hardest hitting and explain why. they also have tutorial vids on how to figure out yourself how much damage weapons will do.

the better you get at making your own builds the more leeway you have for quality of life skills while still having high dps and it keeps your friends from being able to troll you so easily.

this is the switch axe vid for example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alqtz-4JanU

[Remi]

Elemental switch axe phials only have a motion value of 5 on amped sword proc, compared to every other phial type at 10. Ele phials are scuffed, but not completely useless.

[IrisMachina]

Originally posted by tag545:

for weapon choices i would suggest watching the jinjinx and tuna meta builds videos. i wouldnt try to copy their sets piece by piece since they are speed run glass cannon builds, but they will show which weapons are the hardest hitting and explain why. they also have tutorial vids on how to figure out yourself how much damage weapons will do.

the better you get at making your own builds the more leeway you have for quality of life skills while still having high dps and it keeps your friends from being able to troll you so easily.

this is the switch axe vid for example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alqtz-4JanU

yes definitly check that video out and other videos in that channel. they give you clear answers on damage formula and various other game mechanics that you will actually find useful. don't take advice from inexperienced players unless they actually look up these things themselves.

[JPM岩]

Originally posted by ThePacifist09:

Originally posted by !?!:

Depends on the weapon.
The joke is on you if you're running around with a fire greatsword.

Well I was investing my resources into fire switchaxes from both sides of the tree, so yea, the joke is on me.

The los SA isnt worth it. Anja SA is the better choice.