Why Dota 1 is still better and how to fix it.

[Ryan]

I played all of about an hour of Dota 2 and right away I know I prefer Dota 1. Four big reasons:

1. Selection scheme is completely inferior for skilled players. You can have something selected and still control your hero. Confusing as hell. I want the old way back at least as an option, it was 100% fine for skilled players.

2. Item shop is confusing as hell. Give me back the old way as an option, it was better. No it was not perfect, but this is worse.

3. Where are my basic commands as buttons? Move, attack, stop, HOLD POSITION.

4. Radar icons. Give me an option to show allies as green and enemies as red. Big dot for heroes, little dot for creeps. It was simple, it was easy to see, it was superior.

If you're going to call it 'Dota 2', at least don't take things and make them worse.

[krifna - CSGOrulet.com]

Then go play dota 1.

[Ryan]

I will, just thought Valve would want some feedback on why some people are still playing it over a spiritual successor.

[Murderer Drug Dealer]

2. You would have to be retarded to think that.
3.Move- Right Click
Attack- A, Right Click
Stop - S
Hold Position - H

Or your friendly equivalent that you set in your options menu.

tl;dr; You`re retarded.

[Ryan]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ecoste:

tl;dr; You`re retarded.

You mad bro?

[IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII]

all of your reasons are stupid. valve imporved on what was held back by the warcraft 3 engine. however both of the games are basically the same so i dont think it matters which one anyone prefers because its still jsut a bunch of people playing dota

[Tim Timsen]

Dota 2 is still in beta, Einstein.

[僕の名前 (仮)]

1. Um.. what?
2. It's just habit, it will take some time go get used it. Everything is on one screen is actually better than pointing camera to shop and selecting it manually. Also you can use custom builds.
3. They are in game. Use hotkeys. Y U NO see them?
4. Fair point (I would still not use it, I can rember color of each player)
5. As if Warcraft 3 wasn't 'cartoony' style.

[Ryan]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Mammoth:

all of your reasons are stupid. valve imporved on what was held back by the warcraft 3 engine. however both of the games are basically the same so i dont think it matters which one anyone prefers because its still jsut a bunch of people playing dota

The only thing that sucks about Dota 1 is the graphics and non-grid hotkeys, nothing else was wrong with it. I'm all for adding new options and ways to do things, but completely removing things that you could argue are better? Well that just makes me not want to 'upgrade'.

[Sanjuru]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Negative:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Mammoth:

all of your reasons are stupid. valve imporved on what was held back by the warcraft 3 engine. however both of the games are basically the same so i dont think it matters which one anyone prefers because its still jsut a bunch of people playing dota

The only thing that sucks about Dota 1 is the graphics and non-grid hotkeys, nothing else was wrong with it. I'm all for adding new options and ways to do things, but completely removing things that you could argue are better? Well that just makes me not want to 'upgrade'.

Then simply dont do it and stop to complain. O_o

[DJ Dragonflame 龍炎]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Negative:

I played all of about an hour of Dota 2 and right away I know I prefer Dota 1. Five big reasons:

1. Selection scheme is completely inferior for skilled players. You can have something selected and still control your hero. Confusing as hell. I want the old way back at least as an option, it was 100% fine for skilled players.

2. Item shop is confusing as hell. Give me back the old way as an option, it was better. No it was not perfect, but this is worse.

3. Where are my basic commands as buttons? Move, attack, stop, HOLD POSITION.

4. Radar icons. Give me an option to show allies as green and enemies as red. Big dot for heroes, little dot for creeps. It was simple, it was easy to see, it was superior.

5. Overuse of pastel... yikes. Not a huge complaint but it's pretty crazy.

If you're going to call it 'Dota 2', at least don't take things and make them worse.

Reactions:
1. You can add your "pro" characters to that roster by clicking the stars on the top right. Favorites are very likely in this game. I use it.

2. How can it be confusing? I got use to it after I played for a week. You just played for an hour. Time for getting use of the items and shops.

3. They have the same buttons as the old DotA. But the spells and attack hotkeys are different.

4. That's why they have whatever shape that is as your allies and X's as opponents.

5. I think they never overused them. I think they improved.

Overall, I think you just need to play a little bit more than just ONE hour. If not, go back to playing DotA 1. DotA 2 is still in beta and there are more characters that still need to be implemented. You have to be patient for them.

I think they are doing a great job on remaking DotA so people can play freely than to play on a sponsored website. Back then, they didn't have "websites" that allow you to play on Warcraft 3's DotA.

[Ryan]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Sanjuru:

Then simply dont do it and stop to complain. O_o

Excuse me for hopping in a 'sequel' and expecting it to be the same or better than the original... If it's supposed to be different and not a straight upgrade then they wouldn't call it a sequel.

[Ryan]

Found more complaints...

1. No hero icon on screen means you have to either know the shortcut or hunt down your hero when you lose him. It was fine in dota 1, why is it gone?

2. Chat alert sounds are WAY too quiet.

3. Voice events are excessive, way too many of them

4. Spell effects are not nearly as distinctive as Dota 1, same with character models but that isn't as bad

Guess I'll just go play dota 1, had high hopes for this game though.

[Tim Timsen]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Negative:

Found more complaints...

1. No hero icon on screen means you have to either know the shortcut or hunt down your hero when you lose him. It was fine in dota 1, why is it gone?

You mean you can't click on your hero's animated portrait?

Opprinnelig skrevet av Negative:

2. Chat alert sounds are WAY too quiet.

Audio Settings.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Negative:

3. Voice events are excessive, way too many of them

I don't know what you mean by that.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Negative:

4. Spell effects are not nearly as distinctive as Dota 1, same with character models but that isn't as bad

Beta.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Negative:

Guess I'll just go play dota 1, had high hopes for this game though.

Yes, please leave, Mister Entitled.

[Ryan]

You can't click your hero's animated portrait when you have something else selected. And you can't turn up the alert sounds in options.

Just trying to help make the game better, sorry my opinion threatens you.

[Tim Timsen]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Negative:

You can't click your hero's animated portrait when you have something else selected. And you can't turn up the alert sounds in options.

Just trying to help make the game better, sorry my opinion threatens you.

The game is still in beta, your entitlement won't change that.