The Lich's unnecessary passive ability + his MANA recovery suggestion

[sniperleha]

Hello everyone, please tell me who liked the Lich's passivity at all, whether he needs it in principle, or, in your opinion, it causes inconvenience when playing. because it definitely gives me pleasure. if earlier I authored my favorite hero to the MFA and bought a bottle, which allowed me to restore mana and comfortably stand and win the center line, now mana is not passively restored, I need to buy something for the maximum amount of mana (null talisman or even two, in order to somehow reduce the percentage of outgoing The amount of mana per cooldown ability, I ask you to notice, is only 7 seconds! or just constantly buy mango, but sooner or later they will run out in the store or they will be taken by allies. But the fact is that with such a hero, no matter how well I play on him, he is noticeably weaker than the other heroes that the game offers to take in the MFA. and it's not about specific heroes, but about the OPPORTUNITY to BUY a BOTTLE ON OTHER HEROES
in my case, buying a bottle is pointless because of the specifics of my character specifically. The Lich used to be better, and it was great to play it. I hope that the developers will notice this discussion, and maybe someday the Lich will have the opportunity to stand in the MFA again.
I always tried to bring something of my own into the game, not something that hindered normal play, but something that allowed me to evaluate the range of winning possibilities of different games from all sides, I was interested in the character, I like how he charges his ultimate, but with a recent update, when such a passive ability was added to the Lich, I I was disappointed that I would not be able to comfortably stand in the middle line, since all the disadvantages (low armor, slow projectile speed, low speed, low hp regen, low mana regen) were compensated by a bottle: you could stand on the mid, throw 1 ability at both the hero and creeps, and mana was always under control by hand.
I WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION to my suggestion - to make the Lich regenerate mana from the BOTTLE In order to stand comfortably on the center line.
Thank you in advance if anything changes with this passive ability further along the updates.

[Zagryzaec]

Loch never should go midlane.

But I agree, lich must Regen mana normally and benefit from Regen items.

You would do better in easy lane as pos5 support as your carry will restore your mana multiple times. Also stack everything you can and make sure things around you dying.

[will]

Originally posted by nasral:

Hello everyone, please tell me who liked the Lich's passivity at all, whether he needs it in principle, or, in your opinion, it causes inconvenience when playing. because it definitely gives me pleasure. if earlier I authored my favorite hero to the MFA and bought a bottle, which allowed me to restore mana and comfortably stand and win the center line, now mana is not passively restored, I need to buy something for the maximum amount of mana (null talisman or even two, in order to somehow reduce the percentage of outgoing The amount of mana per cooldown ability, I ask you to notice, is only 7 seconds! or just constantly buy mango, but sooner or later they will run out in the store or they will be taken by allies. But the fact is that with such a hero, no matter how well I play on him, he is noticeably weaker than the other heroes that the game offers to take in the MFA. and it's not about specific heroes, but about the OPPORTUNITY to BUY a BOTTLE ON OTHER HEROES
in my case, buying a bottle is pointless because of the specifics of my character specifically. The Lich used to be better, and it was great to play it. I hope that the developers will notice this discussion, and maybe someday the Lich will have the opportunity to stand in the MFA again.
I always tried to bring something of my own into the game, not something that hindered normal play, but something that allowed me to evaluate the range of winning possibilities of different games from all sides, I was interested in the character, I like how he charges his ultimate, but with a recent update, when such a passive ability was added to the Lich, I I was disappointed that I would not be able to comfortably stand in the middle line, since all the disadvantages (low armor, slow projectile speed, low speed, low hp regen, low mana regen) were compensated by a bottle: you could stand on the mid, throw 1 ability at both the hero and creeps, and mana was always under control by hand.
I WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION to my suggestion - to make the Lich regenerate mana from the BOTTLE In order to stand comfortably on the center line.
Thank you in advance if anything changes with this passive ability further along the updates.

Lich has always been a support for me...
Since they made this update, it's even easier to play him in top/bottom lane . But, I agree, now mid it's probably bad.

[BANGERANG!]

POS5 tank Lich is a must.

I only get Aether Lens for the cast range.

[sniperleha]

Originally posted by Bear:

POS5 tank Lich is a must.

I only get Aether Lens for the cast range.

[/quote] Lich has always been a support for me...
Since they made this update, it's even easier to play him in top/bottom lane . But, I agree, now mid it's probably bad. [/quote]


hello everyone, if you are also upset, like me, and, in your opinion, the lich was made worse than it was before the passivity was added, then repost this post, express your opinion, please, maybe this information will reach the developers

[sniperleha]

Originally posted by Zagryzaec:

Loch never should go midlane.

But I agree, lich must Regen mana normally and benefit from Regen items.

You would do better in easy lane as pos5 support as your carry will restore your mana multiple times. Also stack everything you can and make sure things around you dying.

hello everyone, if you are also upset, like me, and, in your opinion, the lich was made worse than it was before the passivity was added, then repost this post, express your opinion, please, maybe this information will reach the developers

[sniperleha]

Originally posted by For-Give-And-For-Get:

Originally posted by nasral:

Hello everyone, please tell me who liked the Lich's passivity at all, whether he needs it in principle, or, in your opinion, it causes inconvenience when playing. because it definitely gives me pleasure. if earlier I authored my favorite hero to the MFA and bought a bottle, which allowed me to restore mana and comfortably stand and win the center line, now mana is not passively restored, I need to buy something for the maximum amount of mana (null talisman or even two, in order to somehow reduce the percentage of outgoing The amount of mana per cooldown ability, I ask you to notice, is only 7 seconds! or just constantly buy mango, but sooner or later they will run out in the store or they will be taken by allies. But the fact is that with such a hero, no matter how well I play on him, he is noticeably weaker than the other heroes that the game offers to take in the MFA. and it's not about specific heroes, but about the OPPORTUNITY to BUY a BOTTLE ON OTHER HEROES
in my case, buying a bottle is pointless because of the specifics of my character specifically. The Lich used to be better, and it was great to play it. I hope that the developers will notice this discussion, and maybe someday the Lich will have the opportunity to stand in the MFA again.
I always tried to bring something of my own into the game, not something that hindered normal play, but something that allowed me to evaluate the range of winning possibilities of different games from all sides, I was interested in the character, I like how he charges his ultimate, but with a recent update, when such a passive ability was added to the Lich, I I was disappointed that I would not be able to comfortably stand in the middle line, since all the disadvantages (low armor, slow projectile speed, low speed, low hp regen, low mana regen) were compensated by a bottle: you could stand on the mid, throw 1 ability at both the hero and creeps, and mana was always under control by hand.
I WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION to my suggestion - to make the Lich regenerate mana from the BOTTLE In order to stand comfortably on the center line.
Thank you in advance if anything changes with this passive ability further along the updates.

Lich has always been a support for me...
Since they made this update, it's even easier to play him in top/bottom lane . But, I agree, now mid it's probably bad.

hello everyone, if you are also upset, like me, and, in your opinion, the lich was made worse than it was before the passivity was added, then repost this post, express your opinion, please, maybe this information will reach the developers

[sniperleha]

Thankyou guys

[Zagryzaec]

Stop spamming please.

Yes they should allow lich to regenerate mana.

[DUGONG]

Lich is frankly quite strong this patch and the passive is kind of a fair trade infact it is more efficient that passive mana regen if you position well, stick to your carry or just stay in the action. No reason to complain but i think he will get a nerf sometime soon.

[BigSparky]

Originally posted by DUGONG:

Lich is frankly quite strong this patch and the passive is kind of a fair trade infact it is more efficient that passive mana regen if you position well, stick to your carry or just stay in the action. No reason to complain but i think he will get a nerf sometime soon.

I agree with this. I play Lich often and the mana regen typically isn't a problem. As a 5, Just sticking close to your 1 generally seems to be enough to keep the mana recharging. Couple that with the mana you'll get from creep pulls and the early game tends to work out. If you're against a spammer like Bristle, just buying magic stick (not even intending to upgrade to wand) tends to give enough mana that you can even start spamming spells aggressively. There are lots of times now where I purchase wind lace and ring at the beginning of the game and buy Tranquil Boots as soon as I have the money. The mobility helps to keep me close to the creep deaths as well as break away in time to pull/stack as well. If you play your cards right, mana regen is really never a problem and actually not having to buy mana items works in your favor. Naturally, this all is dependent on team comp for both sides and how easy it is to get pushed out of your lane. Trying to ward against a Pudge while staying close to creeps for mana regen is always a nightmare.

I personally don't play Lich often as a mid (and never in ranked) as there are almost always better choices, but it's certainly possible without bottle and will depend on who you're up against. Stick/wand can help, but more importantly, you need to try to block/slow the wave and keep the creeps fighting closer to your side of the river. Having a couple mangos at the start is a good choice if you're facing a mid that is too far for your stick/wand to charge. You also still get mana from all creep deaths, so it's not like you are reliant on last hits/denies for it. It's more a matter of playing defensively and trying to use blast to get 2 or more last hits at once when possible.

Whether mana regen for Lich comes back is up in the air, but in the meantime there are ways around it.

[Zagryzaec]

It's not about whether there are "ways around" such a disability but more about tinker for example getting free 4000 gold in travel boots and lich bieng effectively incapable to farm unless he has aghanim.

There are tons of heroes who can comfortably spam their spells with close to none Regen. There is kez who has like 16000 worth of items built into him from the beghining.

And why must you leech exp from your carry JUST to get your mana back?

He should either get massive boost on how much mana he restores or get his Regen ability back.

And why would you get tranquil on char that can't Regen mana at all? Unless you pair it with soul ring. Arcane boots is pretty much mandatory.

[PAPA]

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[ЧPOG]

I stopped play Lich after manaregen nerf. I used to play Lich before gladly and now it's broken feeling.
I don't even want to find the hacks or workarounds to address the mana issue - that's how I am depressed about Lich :(
I feel, innate ability should or may be reworked, for example, like everything stays the same but you got your manaregen back! That would be awesome!

[Zagryzaec]

Considering how much other heroes can spam in lane and how expensive his skills giving him Regen back wouldn't be bad.

[sniperleha]

Originally posted by BigSparky:

Originally posted by DUGONG:

Lich is frankly quite strong this patch and the passive is kind of a fair trade infact it is more efficient that passive mana regen if you position well, stick to your carry or just stay in the action. No reason to complain but i think he will get a nerf sometime soon.

I agree with this. I play Lich often and the mana regen typically isn't a problem. As a 5, Just sticking close to your 1 generally seems to be enough to keep the mana recharging. Couple that with the mana you'll get from creep pulls and the early game tends to work out. If you're against a spammer like Bristle, just buying magic stick (not even intending to upgrade to wand) tends to give enough mana that you can even start spamming spells aggressively. There are lots of times now where I purchase wind lace and ring at the beginning of the game and buy Tranquil Boots as soon as I have the money. The mobility helps to keep me close to the creep deaths as well as break away in time to pull/stack as well. If you play your cards right, mana regen is really never a problem and actually not having to buy mana items works in your favor. Naturally, this all is dependent on team comp for both sides and how easy it is to get pushed out of your lane. Trying to ward against a Pudge while staying close to creeps for mana regen is always a nightmare.

I personally don't play Lich often as a mid (and never in ranked) as there are almost always better choices, but it's certainly possible without bottle and will depend on who you're up against. Stick/wand can help, but more importantly, you need to try to block/slow the wave and keep the creeps fighting closer to your side of the river. Having a couple mangos at the start is a good choice if you're facing a mid that is too far for your stick/wand to charge. You also still get mana from all creep deaths, so it's not like you are reliant on last hits/denies for it. It's more a matter of playing defensively and trying to use blast to get 2 or more last hits at once when possible.

Whether mana regen for Lich comes back is up in the air, but in the meantime there are ways around it.

Every opinion has a place to be, but as for me, if you count properly, they give pennies for a creep, 3 percent of the regen from max mana (that is, I have to kill 30 creeps for full mana) 350 manapul does not really decide from the beginning of the game, yes, in midgame and by the end of the game at the lich, for due to a large increase in intelligence, a lot of maximum mana, but at first it is barely enough even with a magic stick, by the way, I always take a couple of mangoes and a stick for side lines, but what about in the mfa? I take null talisman and it almost doesn't help me, even if I pick up water runes and abuse zero by putting it in a satchel.
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is completely ruined by this character, although I remember he was taken to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and it was fun. Yes, there are a lot of counterpicks, but right now the hero does not even need to look for a counterpick, he will suck after all purely due to lack of resources (bottle)