Why isn't juggernaut considered a hard carry?

[Firedonutking]

If you give him a basher , power treads , diffusal blade , manta style , vladimir offering , and scepter he can beat just about any carry. He has a built in crit , and his ulti against a single target is usually a kill or takes atleast half their health. With this build ive been able to dominate a drow and a phantom assassin numerous times. Blink is often an issue i understand , but with a diffusal blade most of the time it removes the mana needed to use by the time your forced to ulti to save yourself. In general all he needs is a basher and a life steal and he can go toe to toe with just about any carry. He has a good amount of attack speed , one of the best 1 on 1 uti's's and a crit plus a healing ward.

[TheRza]

Originally posted by Stark:

If you give him a basher , power treads , diffusal blade , manta style , vladimir offering , and scepter he can beat just about any carry. He has a built in crit , and his ulti against a single target is usually a kill or takes atleast half their health. With this build ive been able to dominate a drow and a phantom assassin numerous times. Blink is often an issue i understand , but with a diffusal blade most of the time it removes the mana needed to use by the time your forced to ulti to save yourself. In general all he needs is a basher and a life steal and he can go toe to toe with just about any carry. He has a good amount of attack speed , one of the best 1 on 1 uti's's and a crit plus a healing ward.

uhhhhhh lol wat.

that item build is ? i dunno noob? vlads on jug? why you have ward thats plenty manta style? waste of $ df blade LOL that is a first ive seen jug going for a df blade in all my years of playing dota basher is another not so good item for jug some odd items you get scept is good i get scept for him but SyN also good item for him i would get phase boots only to run faster and unit walking just my 2 cents if it helps

[Firedonutking]

Originally posted by TheRza:

Originally posted by Stark:

If you give him a basher , power treads , diffusal blade , manta style , vladimir offering , and scepter he can beat just about any carry. He has a built in crit , and his ulti against a single target is usually a kill or takes atleast half their health. With this build ive been able to dominate a drow and a phantom assassin numerous times. Blink is often an issue i understand , but with a diffusal blade most of the time it removes the mana needed to use by the time your forced to ulti to save yourself. In general all he needs is a basher and a life steal and he can go toe to toe with just about any carry. He has a good amount of attack speed , one of the best 1 on 1 uti's's and a crit plus a healing ward.

uhhhhhh lol wat.

that item build is ? i dunno noob? vlads on jug? why you have ward thats plenty manta style? waste of $ df blade LOL that is a first ive seen jug going for a df blade in all my years of playing dota basher is another not so good item for jug some odd items you get scept is good i get scept for him but SyN also good item for him i would get phase boots only to run faster and unit walking just my 2 cents if it helps

Try the build , 1 on 1 you can pretty much dominate any carry. Bash stops them from running or fighting back , while defusal wipes out thier mana and it has a slow you can cast plus mana burns damage. manta > s&y , manta gives more agility to hit harder and to attack faster, and it gives stats and illusions that help in a fight. phase boots are good for chasing but with this build you can pretty much ground them and not let them escape. Try the build before you call me noob just because its not the standard build doesn't mean it does not work .

[Deus Sinistro]

Because he cant scale as well, and pa/pl/void/druid do a 1000% much better job. Only thing juggernaut has that can 1v1 a carry is his ult, but once he burns that he goes down quick.

[Firedonutking]

Originally posted by Earl Lemongrab:

Because he cant scale as well, and pa/pl/void/druid do a 1000% much better job. Only thing juggernaut has that can 1v1 a carry is his ult, but once he burns that he goes down quick.

So you dont think he scales well in late game team fights or damage output? Does Antimage scales better than juggernaut in your opioion? With lifesteal he wouldnt go down any less than someone like antimage or sniper. With lifesteal , and basher he can stay in a fight for a long time since he has a built in crit and a low base attack time.

[Sminky]

He just dosen't scale as well late game, you make an interesting argument with your item choice. But i don't see any real 'damage' there, with his low HP and armour any half decent team/ player would destroy him with that build in a semi carry role, let alone a hard one.

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Originally posted by Stark:

Originally posted by Earl Lemongrab:

Because he cant scale as well, and pa/pl/void/druid do a 1000% much better job. Only thing juggernaut has that can 1v1 a carry is his ult, but once he burns that he goes down quick.

So you dont think he scales well in late game team fights or damage output? Does Antimage scales better than juggernaut in your opioion? With lifesteal he wouldnt go down any less than someone like antimage or sniper. With lifesteal , and basher he can stay in a fight for a long time since he has a built in crit and a low base attack time.

Jugg has bad stats gain.
Anti-mage used to be the strongest carry in the game due to his extreme farming speed.
Why vlads? Let your support buy it.

[Deus Sinistro]

A real carry scales very well late game, while jugger is restricted by low str gain and low agi gain compared to the real carries. Hell am with same items destroys jugger.

[Vajra]

Originally posted by TheRza:

Originally posted by Stark:

If you give him a basher , power treads , diffusal blade , manta style , vladimir offering , and scepter he can beat just about any carry. He has a built in crit , and his ulti against a single target is usually a kill or takes atleast half their health. With this build ive been able to dominate a drow and a phantom assassin numerous times. Blink is often an issue i understand , but with a diffusal blade most of the time it removes the mana needed to use by the time your forced to ulti to save yourself. In general all he needs is a basher and a life steal and he can go toe to toe with just about any carry. He has a good amount of attack speed , one of the best 1 on 1 uti's's and a crit plus a healing ward.

uhhhhhh lol wat.

that item build is ? i dunno noob? vlads on jug? why you have ward thats plenty manta style? waste of $ df blade LOL that is a first ive seen jug going for a df blade in all my years of playing dota basher is another not so good item for jug some odd items you get scept is good i get scept for him but SyN also good item for him i would get phase boots only to run faster and unit walking just my 2 cents if it helps

I would say that's a run on sentence but I don't think it's even a sentence.

[TheRza]

Originally posted by TheEpicTomato:

Originally posted by TheRza:

uhhhhhh lol wat.

that item build is ? i dunno noob? vlads on jug? why you have ward thats plenty manta style? waste of $ df blade LOL that is a first ive seen jug going for a df blade in all my years of playing dota basher is another not so good item for jug some odd items you get scept is good i get scept for him but SyN also good item for him i would get phase boots only to run faster and unit walking just my 2 cents if it helps

I would say that's a run on sentence but I don't think it's even a sentence.

Ohhh nw the gramar poliece is her wat is on the nxt subjct Mr. Grammar teacher???

[theafrochiapet]

Originally posted by Stark:

If you give him a basher , power treads , diffusal blade , manta style , vladimir offering , and scepter he can beat just about any carry. He has a built in crit , and his ulti against a single target is usually a kill or takes atleast half their health. With this build ive been able to dominate a drow and a phantom assassin numerous times. Blink is often an issue i understand , but with a diffusal blade most of the time it removes the mana needed to use by the time your forced to ulti to save yourself. In general all he needs is a basher and a life steal and he can go toe to toe with just about any carry. He has a good amount of attack speed , one of the best 1 on 1 uti's's and a crit plus a healing ward.

lol for an argument that jug is a hard carry, that's more of a semi-carry build. you'll get wrecked come late game against a similarly farmed carry.
i think the main reason he isn't considered the best carry is cuz maximizing his skillset requires good setups from the team (unless he's outlvling)

[Firedonutking]

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ JIGGLES GIGGLES:

You go choppernought.
Only level Blade Fury once, then just put it on crit and stats and ult. Get Phase first, then MoM, then Basher, then Lothars, then SnY. Maybe a hand if your lane is doing awesome.
...This is just a joke build. It works a lot though. I guess people don't expect it.

thank you for trolling the forum . Why not next time actually sumbit a build or logical statement that shows why you have a real reason why juggernaut cant be a hard carry.

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Originally posted by Stark:

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ JIGGLES GIGGLES:

You go choppernought.
Only level Blade Fury once, then just put it on crit and stats and ult. Get Phase first, then MoM, then Basher, then Lothars, then SnY. Maybe a hand if your lane is doing awesome.
...This is just a joke build. It works a lot though. I guess people don't expect it.

thank you for trolling the forum . Why not next time actually sumbit a build or logical statement that shows why you have a real reason why juggernaut cant be a hard carry. :firebaby:

Juggernaut can't be a hard carry because his stat gain is horrible and he is squishy.
He is relatively strong in the early game, making him a semi-carry (your spin does less and less DMG as the game goes on).
Sure, he can be played as a hard carry, but you will be out carried by any other agi carry if you have equal farm.

[Firedonutking]

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ JIGGLES GIGGLES:

Originally posted by Stark:

thank you for trolling the forum . Why not next time actually sumbit a build or logical statement that shows why you have a real reason why juggernaut cant be a hard carry.

Trolling is when you do something with the intention of pissing someone off. I made this post for fun, with the intention of giving the people who read it a laugh.
You must be a blast at parties.

Sounds like you were trolling, but im sure someone found it funny they just forgot to mention how funny it was . Thanks budd im a smash hit at partys btw

[Luize]

Juggernaut has a highter start Strength & Agility than Anti-mage. He also has a higher strength & agility gain than Anti-mage, higher start armor and a lower BAT ! In what way does Anti-mage beat Juggernaut? If they have the same farm juggernaut just wins no ? Both have an escape, juggernaut's ult is more powerful than anti-mages ult which requires enemy to have no mana. Juggernaut also has standard crits. So yeah I don't get the part where Juggernaut where lose in a 1 vs 1, even if they wouldn't use their ults.