Dota 2
B[A]lto 2014 年 1 月 10 日 下午 12:16
Nerf the leaver passive gold bonus
The passive gold bonus from leavers is pretty ridiculous. The first time I found out about it we were easily winning the game, then Sniper was getting his gold and came around with six slots of items and won it from that alone. A leaver should be a disadvantage, not an advantage. More often than not that seems to be what happens in my experience. Please nerf the gold bonus from leavers. You should not be able to win a game 1v4 or 1v5 with 1.5k gpm like I did a few weeks back when my team left, yet you can. That is so far broken it isn't even funny.
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Lead_C 2014 年 1 月 28 日 下午 9:56 
引用自 Nyu
引用自 Lead_Codpiece
You must be really bad at this game

Just your average Dota fanboy that has no real opinion.. Move along, nothing new to see here.

And why should anyone listen to you guys, if you can't even win 5 man vs 1 game, l2p. Crawfish can't doto. I am out of here and I hope valve would never listen to such whining.
"I suck, but it's not my fault, just nerf everyting so i can finally win 5v1 ez." What a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ disgrace.
最后由 Lead_C 编辑于; 2014 年 1 月 28 日 下午 10:11
B[A]lto 2014 年 1 月 29 日 上午 6:46 
引用自 Lead_Codpiece
引用自 Nyu

Just your average Dota fanboy that has no real opinion.. Move along, nothing new to see here.

And why should anyone listen to you guys, if you can't even win 5 man vs 1 game, l2p. Crawfish can't doto. I am out of here and I hope valve would never listen to such whining.
"I suck, but it's not my fault, just nerf everyting so i can finally win 5v1 ez." What a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ disgrace.

No, you're the disgrace. Go play LoL. No one wants your "you must suck trolol" crap when you have never even been in such a game. As I've said, I've been on both sides, the winner of the 1v4 solo, the winner of the 4v1 with a team, and the loser a few times to the carry who gets some nice bonus gold he wouldn't have and combined with some farming then snowballs from his teammate leaving and wins when he would've lost before. Face it: You don't know what you're talking about and you make the Dota community a bad place. People should listen to us because we've seen how unfair this system is because we've actually been in those games, unlike you.
A-Bomb 2014 年 1 月 29 日 上午 6:49 
Cod piece is right...People like you always find something to blame when you lose a game.Too bad you couldn't find smart to blame.
引用自 BAltow0lf
引用自 Lead_Codpiece

And why should anyone listen to you guys, if you can't even win 5 man vs 1 game, l2p. Crawfish can't doto. I am out of here and I hope valve would never listen to such whining.
"I suck, but it's not my fault, just nerf everyting so i can finally win 5v1 ez." What a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ disgrace.

No, you're the disgrace. Go play LoL. No one wants your "you must suck trolol" crap when you have never even been in such a game. As I've said, I've been on both sides, the winner of the 1v4 solo, the winner of the 4v1 with a team, and the loser a few times to the carry who gets some nice bonus gold he wouldn't have and combined with some farming then snowballs from his teammate leaving and wins when he would've lost before. Face it: You don't know what you're talking about and you make the Dota community a bad place. People should listen to us because we've seen how unfair this system is because we've actually been in those games, unlike you.
B[A]lto 2014 年 1 月 29 日 上午 6:55 
Deepblue: First off, I'm not sure why I wouldn't read it when you just give insightful commentary on a game and point out all the mistakes we made. No problem with that. Yes, Bristle only had one death, but he was doing some pretty stupid things before we killed him, too, which is why I think he most likely would've ended up feeding. One time he was stalking me in our jungle when I went back to heal before we killed him almost all the way to the T2. He had no chance of killing me and I was really hoping he would actually try and dive the tower so I could kill him, but unfortunately he didn't. All he did was lose XP and gold and waste his time. Another time I recall him diving our tower when there was no chance he would get a kill. Because of some actions he took I assume he would've died a lot more, since he didn't seem like a very smart player.

Ok, so maybe it is only 1000 gold, but IMO it doesn't make sense when you give them 1k gold and that gold helps them get their items faster. If they're farming that can give them the boost they need to get out of hand a lot quicker than they would normally. Yes, Tiny wouldn't have gotten both his Aghs and Mjollner from that, but I believe that it had a large responsibility with getting him that Mjollner. I don't think he would've got it so quick otherwise.

So it seems like you have 1 match where you, alone, win, another match where your side wins against a lone player. Just based on that, it would seem like the system works, since you can use it to good effect, but it's not a guaranteed victory.

No, we figured by the end of that game with the ES that he wasn't exactly trying to win at the end. IT seemed like he was having fun more than anything. When I did it I first just wanted to have some fun until I realized I had a legitimate chance of winning, then I started really trying and that's why I think I won and he didn't. That and we ended up split pushing, I got Boots of Travel in the game with the ES and we pushed his top rax then went GG as I recall while he was just fountain diving and owning our team back at home. He had a Bloodstone and some other decent items at the start, wheras at the end he had three Rapiers a Blink and Aegis. Not even boots, which he had at one point. That's part of why we won that game, but the other part is we were coordinating and pushing.

I think it's pretty unfair though based on my game as Puck when we lost to that Sniper since there was no way we could kill a Sniper with a 40% chance to bash with all the items he had since we couldn't even get close, then when we would he'd just turn on his Satanic and be back at full health since he could just sit back at that ridiculous range he has and bash us all with mad lifesteal. Before his team got abandons, he didn't have anywhere near that farm as I recall and my team definitely had the advantage and were dominating fights and winning. That's the most annoying part about the leaver gold and why I think it needs to be nerfed. Sometimes you're winning a game when someone rage quits and that alone wins it for the other team.
Lead_C 2014 年 1 月 29 日 上午 6:55 
引用自 BAltow0lf
引用自 Lead_Codpiece

And why should anyone listen to you guys, if you can't even win 5 man vs 1 game, l2p. Crawfish can't doto. I am out of here and I hope valve would never listen to such whining.
"I suck, but it's not my fault, just nerf everyting so i can finally win 5v1 ez." What a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ disgrace.

No, you're the disgrace. Go play LoL. No one wants your "you must suck trolol" crap when you have never even been in such a game. As I've said, I've been on both sides, the winner of the 1v4 solo, the winner of the 4v1 with a team, and the loser a few times to the carry who gets some nice bonus gold he wouldn't have and combined with some farming then snowballs from his teammate leaving and wins when he would've lost before. Face it: You don't know what you're talking about and you make the Dota community a bad place. People should listen to us because we've seen how unfair this system is because we've actually been in those games, unlike you.
You are as ignorant as you are noob, I've won several 1v5 and 2v5 games and lost 5v3, it was so long ago both teams were newbies (100-200games played) and nobody was mad about that, players just died in 1v1 with no teamplay, even if u cant fight him, you still can rat-doto win and split push. You have 800h in dota, and you say you lost a 1v5 game several days ago... ever thought of playing to LoL instead of trying to say that you "see how syste is unfair", srsly, I bet you are the same type of trash players who think that russians and latinos are the main problem of dota while they suck hard in the first place. Use your numbers wisely and carry tps and split push. Damn, the single fact that "1v5 player has huge advantage" makes my butt burn.
最后由 Lead_C 编辑于; 2014 年 1 月 29 日 上午 7:00
B[A]lto 2014 年 1 月 29 日 上午 6:59 
引用自 !nK
Cod piece is right...People like you always find something to blame when you lose a game.Too bad you couldn't find smart to blame.
引用自 BAltow0lf

Too bad you couldn't find smart to blame? Maybe before you go on about intelligence you should learn proper English. You know what the worst part of the Dota community is? No matter what your reasoning is, if you even dare say the slightest thing is broken unless 75% of the community agrees with it you'll get raged and called a noob and people assume you must suck because you're complaining about something. I'm not sure why you all seem to think everyone who complains about something must suck. Yes, clearly the people who complain about easy to kill heroes being op aren't too great, but does that mean everyone complaining about something must suck? No. I think that the mere fact you use this logic must say something bad about all those who think that way.

You're right though actually, people like me always to find something to blame. For my game last night where we lost a good and close fun game, I blame some mistakes we made and not pushing enough. For my Puck game I've referenced I blame Valve and the leaver gold. For my last game I played, I blame a combination of Death Prophet's ulti being ridiculous and my team working together right. You're 100% right, I do always find something to blame, whether it be outplay or mistakes or something being broken. Didn't expect that, did ya'?
B[A]lto 2014 年 1 月 29 日 上午 7:02 
引用自 Lead_Codpiece
You are as ignorant as you are noob, I've won several 1v5 and 2v5 games and lost 5v3, it was so long ago both teams were newbies (100-200games played) and nobody was mad about that, players just died in 1v1 with no teamplay, even if u cant fight him, you still can rat-doto win and split push. You have 800h in dota, and you say you lost a 1v5 game several days ago... ever thought of playing to LoL instead of trying to say that you "see how syste is unfair", srsly, I bet you are the same type of trash players who think that russians and latinos are the main problem of dota while they suck hard in the first place. Use your numbers wisely and carry tps and split push.

LOL. Again, proper English please before you go insulting someone else's intelligence. No, you sound like the ignorant one here with all these statements. No, I haven't lost any 1v5 games several days ago. It's been at least two months since that happened. Did you even read the thread? Wait, don't answer that question, the answer is clear. No I've never thought of playing LoL since LoL sounds like it sucks and is for people who don't like a challenging game. No, I'm not the one complaining about Russians and Latinos, I'm the one defending them and arguing against region lock since I understand not everyone is the same way as a few bad people, just like I understand the entire Dota community isn't as ignorant and mad as you are, there's lots of helpful and intelligent people out there as well.
最后由 B[A]lto 编辑于; 2014 年 1 月 29 日 上午 7:02
Lead_C 2014 年 1 月 29 日 上午 7:08 
引用自 BAltow0lf
引用自 Lead_Codpiece
You are as ignorant as you are noob, I've won several 1v5 and 2v5 games and lost 5v3, it was so long ago both teams were newbies (100-200games played) and nobody was mad about that, players just died in 1v1 with no teamplay, even if u cant fight him, you still can rat-doto win and split push. You have 800h in dota, and you say you lost a 1v5 game several days ago... ever thought of playing to LoL instead of trying to say that you "see how syste is unfair", srsly, I bet you are the same type of trash players who think that russians and latinos are the main problem of dota while they suck hard in the first place. Use your numbers wisely and carry tps and split push.

LOL. Again, proper English please before you go insulting someone else's intelligence. No, you sound like the ignorant one here with all these statements. No, I haven't lost any 1v5 games several days ago. It's been at least two months since that happened. Did you even read the thread? Wait, don't answer that question, the answer is clear. No I've never thought of playing LoL since LoL sounds like it sucks and is for people who don't like a challenging game. No, I'm not the one complaining about Russians and Latinos, I'm the one defending them and against region lock since I understand not everyone is the same way as a few bad people. Just like I understand the entire Dota community isn't as ignorant and mad as you are, there's lots of helpful and intelligent people out there as well.

Good, now you sound a bit reasonable, but you are just saying that to look less stupid.
ChubbNutt 2014 年 1 月 29 日 上午 7:11 
It seems that in most cases when someone leaves that team loses. Other than this thread I've never heard of some losing due only because of the gold increase.

And even then it was shown in this thread that the game was lost due to much more than just the gold increase.

Even if you do nerf the gold increase that pretty much will seals your fate if you have someone leave your team and will make comebacks impossible resulting in threads asking for balance when there is a leaver in the game.
最后由 ChubbNutt 编辑于; 2014 年 1 月 29 日 上午 7:15
Lead_C 2014 年 1 月 29 日 上午 7:15 
引用自 El Ammo Bandito
It seems that in most cases when someone leaves that team loses. Other than this thread I've never heard of some losing due only because of the gold increase.

And even then it was shown in this thread that the game was lost due to much more than just the gold increase.

Well i could believe that medusa can ez 1v5 with proper gold, but they lost to sniper with no bkb...
B[A]lto 2014 年 1 月 29 日 上午 7:30 
引用自 Lead_Codpiece
Good, now you sound a bit reasonable, but you are just saying that to look less stupid.

Obama should hire you. All I can say is "What an idiot" and shake my head. If you seriously think that, you need to go get a life and learn how most people think. You sir, are unbelievable. You're clearly someone who doesn't understand that not everyone must be like you. I can't even begin to fathom how you could think like that. Instead of simply admitting you're wrong like any reasonable person after I said what I did, you instead had to go and pretend you're smart and better than everyone else by saying that. That's a huge red flag that someone isn't what they make themselves out to be. Intelligence wins arguments, not namecalling. That's what you have shown you're only willing to do, is put down the opposition with anything but reason.

引用自 Lead_Codpiece
Well i could believe that medusa can ez 1v5 with proper gold, but they lost to sniper with no bkb...

Yeah, that would suck. Medusa would win easy. Again, like 90% of the people who put down those arguing that the leaver gold should be nerfed, you showed a quite clear lack of knowledge about the situation. Sniper had a Satanic and Deso and I think a Mjollner or something like that. He has range greater than towers. He would stand far away and just beat on us from afar. We almost killed him a few times as I recall, but each time his bash (which TBH is a bit excessive as a 40% chance) and Satanic would prevent us from doing so. You get him low, he'll just hit the Satanic and get all his hp back since he was hitting hard from his items and also had a ton of attack speed. Quit thinking you know better than the people who have been there when you haven't. Don't act like you know what you're talking about when you obviously don't. (Oh, and by the way, you don't always need a BKB. If we were all non-magic heroes he wouldn't have a problem without BKB. In his case he didn't need it anyway since he just had to sit out of range of anything and kill us in five hits or use his lifesteal to get back up. Not hard to do.)

I'm going to assume you've never lost to a Sniper, as well, have you? You sure sound like a pro player who's better than everyone else. It must be a great thing to be so good and never lose a game, huh? Oh wait...
最后由 B[A]lto 编辑于; 2014 年 1 月 29 日 上午 7:30
Lead_C 2014 年 1 月 29 日 上午 7:35 
引用自 BAltow0lf
引用自 Lead_Codpiece
Good, now you sound a bit reasonable, but you are just saying that to look less stupid.

Obama should hire you. All I can say is "What an idiot" and shake my head. If you seriously think that, you need to go get a life and learn how most people think. You sir, are unbelievable. You're clearly someone who doesn't understand that not everyone must be like you. I can't even begin to fathom how you could think like that. Instead of simply admitting you're wrong like any reasonable person after I said what I did, you instead had to go and pretend you're smart and better than everyone else by saying that. That's a huge red flag that someone isn't what they make themselves out to be. Intelligence wins arguments, not namecalling. That's what you have shown you're only willing to do, is put down the opposition with anything but reason.

引用自 Lead_Codpiece
Well i could believe that medusa can ez 1v5 with proper gold, but they lost to sniper with no bkb...

Yeah, that would suck. Medusa would win easy. Again, like 90% of the people who put down those arguing that the leaver gold should be nerfed, you showed a quite clear lack of knowledge about the situation. Sniper had a Satanic and Deso and I think a Mjollner or something like that. He has range greater than towers. He would stand far away and just beat on us from afar. We almost killed him a few times as I recall, but each time his bash (which TBH is a bit excessive as a 40% chance) and Satanic would prevent us from doing so. You get him low, he'll just hit the Satanic and get all his hp back since he was hitting hard from his items and also had a ton of attack speed. Quit thinking you know better than the people who have been there when you haven't. Don't act like you know what you're talking about when you obviously don't. (Oh, and by the way, you don't always need a BKB. If we were all non-magic heroes he wouldn't have a problem without BKB. In his case he didn't need it anyway since he just had to sit out of range of anything and kill us in five hits or use his lifesteal to get back up. Not hard to do.)

I'm going to assume you've never lost to a Sniper, as well, have you? You sure sound like a pro player who's better than everyone else. It must be a great thing to be so good and never lose a game, huh? Oh wait...

So many words you wrote, sniper is clearly op that should be nerfed, or you could just SMOKE GANK him and disable with stuns, ah yes, who needs supports\disablers\nukes 5-carry phys damage team ftw, and you know that you could use such item as halbert, hm? And tell me, you had 5 mins before he recieved his gold, you were supposed to push and destroy rax, even if he has OP farm he can be easily backdoored with no T3 and\or rax
最后由 Lead_C 编辑于; 2014 年 1 月 29 日 上午 8:15
Panimu 2014 年 1 月 29 日 上午 7:47 
Axe would not say consolidated. Not even on all caps.

SPROINK
Sleipnir 2014 年 1 月 29 日 上午 7:55 
It sure can happen that a 1v5 is won by a single sniper. That is the magic of DOTA, because despite any disadvantage a match still can be turned around. But def not because of passive gold bonus and also not if you sell all the items of your team mates and buy six rapier. There is always skill involved to some extend.

I have lost 3v5 and 4v5 games even though the ancient was almost destroyed. Why? Because sometimes things go totally wrong.

How about that match ID from that sniper game?
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