Dota 2
Bubba's Bae Sep 18, 2022 @ 12:03am
Just took a break from Dota 2 and this happens...
I took a break from Dota from time to time. When they introduced the new ranking system I was between Crusader/Archon rank. Then later I came back in new season, the system automaticcaly started to match me up with Guardian players. Then I skipped some time again, and now in the new season the mm started to put me together now with Herald/Guardian players... I have no idea why after every new season my rank was basically reduced again and again??? Why did it happen? Why my rank was reduced automatically when I barely played few games in the last season?
And now I am stuck in Herald 4 with boosters in the enemy teams. Also just yesterday we were completely destroyed buy a Void Spirit, he played every trick and with insane speed and farming, we had 0 chance with these Herald players in my team.
I thought with the latest "add phone number to your account" thing will reduce the number of smurfs and boosters in low rank, but nope, it feels still the same.
How I am supposed to gain rank, if the mm system for some reason reduces my ranks without playing the game when I take break and also we still have this insane booster infestation???
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Zagryzaec Sep 18, 2022 @ 10:50pm 
It was told before that giving up confidential information allowing invasion into your privacy will not do anything to smurfing. People didn't believed and now we are here.

As for your rank - if you cannot climb out of herald then you were recalibrated properly.
Ragnoraok Sep 19, 2022 @ 12:08am 
Out of curiosity, when was the last time that you played?

DOTA's rank decay system kicks into effect if you don't play for an extended period of time.

At least your rank didn't depreciate that much. In other MOBAs, there is rank decay if you don't play for a long time AND there is a hard rank reset at the end of a season. Taking a 6-month to year break barely affects you ranking in DOTA, but in other MOBAs you will lose most of your MMR.

As for ranked, stuff like the behavior score, lax restrictions on premades, and antismurf/booster systems have made rank a cesspool for game-ruiners, smurfs, boosters, and trolls. The rigged mm will routinely put you with the worst players they can find if you have a streak of games where you play exceptionally well, because the algorithm thinks that you are a booster.

Your best bet for ranking up is to play in a 4-5 stack and abuse the inherently broken mm for premades.
Alpha Omega Pepega Sep 19, 2022 @ 12:14am 
Originally posted by Chibi:
I took a break from Dota from time to time. When they introduced the new ranking system I was between Crusader/Archon rank. Then later I came back in new season, the system automaticcaly started to match me up with Guardian players. Then I skipped some time again, and now in the new season the mm started to put me together now with Herald/Guardian players... I have no idea why after every new season my rank was basically reduced again and again??? Why did it happen? Why my rank was reduced automatically when I barely played few games in the last season?
And now I am stuck in Herald 4 with boosters in the enemy teams. Also just yesterday we were completely destroyed buy a Void Spirit, he played every trick and with insane speed and farming, we had 0 chance with these Herald players in my team.
I thought with the latest "add phone number to your account" thing will reduce the number of smurfs and boosters in low rank, but nope, it feels still the same.
How I am supposed to gain rank, if the mm system for some reason reduces my ranks without playing the game when I take break and also we still have this insane booster infestation???
What kind of crusader player are you if you cant win vs heralds.
:D Sep 19, 2022 @ 12:48am 
there is no such thing as guardina and archons
you either herald or you are immortal.
Bubba's Bae Sep 19, 2022 @ 1:28am 
Originally posted by Ragnoraok:
Out of curiosity, when was the last time that you played?

DOTA's rank decay system kicks into effect if you don't play for an extended period of time.

At least your rank didn't depreciate that much. In other MOBAs, there is rank decay if you don't play for a long time AND there is a hard rank reset at the end of a season. Taking a 6-month to year break barely affects you ranking in DOTA, but in other MOBAs you will lose most of your MMR.

As for ranked, stuff like the behavior score, lax restrictions on premades, and antismurf/booster systems have made rank a cesspool for game-ruiners, smurfs, boosters, and trolls. The rigged mm will routinely put you with the worst players they can find if you have a streak of games where you play exceptionally well, because the algorithm thinks that you are a booster.

Your best bet for ranking up is to play in a 4-5 stack and abuse the inherently broken mm for premades.

How I am supposed to boost myself then? It is true I didn't play for like 6 months or more, so I guess it works almost like a rank reset in other compeitive games nowadays.
So when I was playing more and tried to climb rank, I exactly experienced that others were talking about that the mm forces you to not climb too much (the mysterious 50/50 ratio). I have even two screenshots, when as support I played my best and I was able to boost myself almost with 11-12 win streaks then suddenly you know what has happened? I still played the same, however I still got around 10 losing streak after my winning streak, and I exactly played as well and with the same hero. Once I did it with earthshaker, and once with cm, in both case I made more than 10 wins in a row, then suddenly I got around 10 lost games in a row, even if I didn't change anything, I was simply forced to lose the next games...
So it seems others experience it too. But I think it is very bad system, then it almost seems impossible to gain rank in short time if you are once put in low mmr.

I found the old screenshots to pove it:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=642260114

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=607989831

After both of these streaks I got terrible games and I lost back my progress of climbing..
Last edited by Bubba's Bae; Sep 19, 2022 @ 1:31am
Ragnoraok Sep 19, 2022 @ 3:46pm 
Originally posted by Chibi:
Originally posted by Ragnoraok:
Out of curiosity, when was the last time that you played?

DOTA's rank decay system kicks into effect if you don't play for an extended period of time.

At least your rank didn't depreciate that much. In other MOBAs, there is rank decay if you don't play for a long time AND there is a hard rank reset at the end of a season. Taking a 6-month to year break barely affects you ranking in DOTA, but in other MOBAs you will lose most of your MMR.

As for ranked, stuff like the behavior score, lax restrictions on premades, and antismurf/booster systems have made rank a cesspool for game-ruiners, smurfs, boosters, and trolls. The rigged mm will routinely put you with the worst players they can find if you have a streak of games where you play exceptionally well, because the algorithm thinks that you are a booster.

Your best bet for ranking up is to play in a 4-5 stack and abuse the inherently broken mm for premades.

How I am supposed to boost myself then? It is true I didn't play for like 6 months or more, so I guess it works almost like a rank reset in other compeitive games nowadays.
So when I was playing more and tried to climb rank, I exactly experienced that others were talking about that the mm forces you to not climb too much (the mysterious 50/50 ratio). I have even two screenshots, when as support I played my best and I was able to boost myself almost with 11-12 win streaks then suddenly you know what has happened? I still played the same, however I still got around 10 losing streak after my winning streak, and I exactly played as well and with the same hero. Once I did it with earthshaker, and once with cm, in both case I made more than 10 wins in a row, then suddenly I got around 10 lost games in a row, even if I didn't change anything, I was simply forced to lose the next games...
So it seems others experience it too. But I think it is very bad system, then it almost seems impossible to gain rank in short time if you are once put in low mmr.

I found the old screenshots to pove it:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=642260114

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=607989831

After both of these streaks I got terrible games and I lost back my progress of climbing..

You can't boost by yourself unless you are able to consistently 3v5 against smurfs...which is not possible for the vast majority of players.

The game is rigged to keep players in an emotional spiral of wins and losses as some perverse method to install engagement which has been proven to make players play longer/more than if the mm was actually fair.
Big Dog Sep 19, 2022 @ 4:11pm 
being good in old patches =/= being good in new patches
You are not alone, when I see the system tells me I got a match I don't want to click accept because I know I am going to lose. They bully you putting you into lower rank to satisfy their dirty needs while you pay for their so called services. In short, you are their customer and their bi*ch at the same time.
Losing 200 mmr is just a piece of cake, last night I got a sniper mid losing and telling me the game is "already lost". Why do people play Dota if they think they cannot win?
Someone must be detached from reality here, either Valve or us players. If it is us then we deserve to be losing only we don't know. If it is Valve then all the good players have left only toxic snakes hanging around only Valve don't know.
Last edited by RetentionBasedManipulation🤮; Sep 19, 2022 @ 4:45pm
If you want to gain rank, play only in a 3 hour window around peak players. Best way to avoid smurfs and boosters is when the pool to queue into is diluted with honest players.
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