Why is this game's cosmetic system so garbage?

[ADiscountTaDaMon!]

I could literally pay the same amount of money to get everything Arcana/Persona in battlepass ($200+) in another game and get so much more. Even League isn't this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ greedy and Riot has done nothing but ♥♥♥♥ up past 2 years. I could get more in Fortnite of all games. And making so many Arcanas and Immortals giftable only is the perfect way to get anyone scammed if they don't have multiple friends playing DOTA as well. Try to trade or buy a giftable-only Arcana and watch some ass demand you hand your stuff over first and then they run with it, after a month of having to keep them on your friends list. And treasures not being tradable for months is something I haven't experienced, but it sounds like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hell to just keep that ♥♥♥♥ rotting in your backpack losing it's value anyway.

For context, I am someone who just started seriously playing DOTA last month after years of mostly failing and then dropping it. I was already annoyed when I wanted to buy Fury of the Bloodforge for Bloodseeker and decided to give up after finding only what was obviously scam accounts saying they'll happily sell it. I saw battlepass 30 days later, aka last week, and thought "Oh wow, Phantom Assassin and Faceless Void look so cool! I could buy level 50 bundle I guess!", but I got suspicious after seeing it had thousands of levels. Checked Reddit and YouTube and I was so glad I didn't bother after learning I wouldn't even get Phantom Assassin Persona with level 100 bundle. And the "coming soon" text is also automatically disgusting, and is basically throwing salt on a gunshot wound.
I uninstalled, maybe I'll play again at some point, but I thought Valve was better than Epic Games in so many ways, only to find out how trash they are with not just Dota 2, but also Team Fortress 2 and the fact they won't allow so many visual novel games onto the site because of their obvious bias, what happened to them allowing any fictional game?

I only still use Steam because it's better than nothing and I have so much history on here, and I couldn't bear to drop Team Fortress 2.
That's all I have to say rn.

[zZzooey.exe]

Автор сообщения: Discount Dietzs #SaveTF2 Velk.CA

Автор сообщения: 🦋zooi

anyone comparing cosmetics system in lol and dota2 is automatically wrong when they realize in lol everything is account bound. nobody is forcing you to get battlepass exclusive content in dota2, there is 99% other cosmetics that are tradeable and marketable.

The thing is... A lot of the stuff in the battlepass is either going to be not tradable for months, or simply isn't going to be the same value as what you put in. I have read up on this.
And the Arcanas and Personas aren't tradable either, which is where most of the money should be going...

youre saying it like this is some new information. one of reasons stuff became account bound and marketable after the next TI is because valve didnt like people turning profit every battlepass and recycling same money into multiple battlepasses. it wasnt used to be so exclusive and so expensive. whether we agree with their decision or not you have to admit that if you had a company and made a free game, and someone was able to put in 100$ in your game and make 500$, and reusing that profit to profit more, youd have an issue as well. seeing also as this free game dota2 is on steam, where this profit can be used not only on this game but all over the steam platform, games and other, heavily deflating prices on community market also. it was not healthy system when thousands of people started doing it.
so, do i like that personas and arcanas are account bound? hell no. but i can see why they went that route and you can simply choose to vote with your wallet and not buy it. personas are in my opinion worse than cosmetics because if you have cool immortals or arcana you cant use it if you have persona equipped anyway.

[ADiscountTaDaMon!]

Автор сообщения: JJ, That Little Bastard

Автор сообщения: Discount Dietzs #SaveTF2 Velk.CA

The thing is... A lot of the stuff in the battlepass is either going to be not tradable for months, or simply isn't going to be the same value as what you put in. I have read up on this.
And the Arcanas and Personas aren't tradable either, which is where most of the money should be going...

Exclusives are incentive. Miss it, it's gone. Healthier to play the game for the game. If you actually played the title the skins wont matter. You talk of its visual quality and lack of profiting back from the BP.

I see through you now.

I have played it, I haven't played it for long though. And I'm not the only one complaining about profit.

[ADiscountTaDaMon!]

Автор сообщения: 🦋zooi

Автор сообщения: Discount Dietzs #SaveTF2 Velk.CA

The thing is... A lot of the stuff in the battlepass is either going to be not tradable for months, or simply isn't going to be the same value as what you put in. I have read up on this.
And the Arcanas and Personas aren't tradable either, which is where most of the money should be going...

youre saying it like this is some new information. one of reasons stuff became account bound and marketable after the next TI is because valve didnt like people turning profit every battlepass and recycling same money into multiple battlepasses. it wasnt used to be so exclusive and so expensive. whether we agree with their decision or not you have to admit that if you had a company and made a free game, and someone was able to put in 100$ in your game and make 500$, and reusing that profit to profit more, youd have an issue was well. seeing also as this free game dota2 is on steam, where this profit can be used not only on this game but all over the steam platform, games and other, heavily deflating prices on community market also. it was not healthy system when thousands of people started doing it.
so, do i like that personas and arcanas are account bound? hell no. but i can see why they went that route and you can simply choose to vote with your wallet and not buy it. personas are in my opinion worse than cosmetics because if you have cool immortals or arcana you cant use it if you have persona equipped anyway.

You do have a point... It would affect other games on Steam. And I didn't think of that about Personas. I am wrong about chests and Immortals then.

[zZzooey.exe]

Автор сообщения: Discount Dietzs #SaveTF2 Velk.CA

Автор сообщения: 🦋zooi

youre saying it like this is some new information. one of reasons stuff became account bound and marketable after the next TI is because valve didnt like people turning profit every battlepass and recycling same money into multiple battlepasses. it wasnt used to be so exclusive and so expensive. whether we agree with their decision or not you have to admit that if you had a company and made a free game, and someone was able to put in 100$ in your game and make 500$, and reusing that profit to profit more, youd have an issue was well. seeing also as this free game dota2 is on steam, where this profit can be used not only on this game but all over the steam platform, games and other, heavily deflating prices on community market also. it was not healthy system when thousands of people started doing it.
so, do i like that personas and arcanas are account bound? hell no. but i can see why they went that route and you can simply choose to vote with your wallet and not buy it. personas are in my opinion worse than cosmetics because if you have cool immortals or arcana you cant use it if you have persona equipped anyway.

You do have a point... It would affect other games on Steam. And I didn't think of that about Personas. I am wrong about chests and Immortals then.

i still wish at least they would leave arcanas to be purchasable as an notmal item. and make other stuff exclusive such as terrains, etc whatever. arcana is too important of an item imo to be behind exclusive paywall since every hero will probably only have 1, but its sad and we gotta accept it.

[ADiscountTaDaMon!]

Автор сообщения: JJ, That Little Bastard

Автор сообщения: Discount Dietzs #SaveTF2 Velk.CA

The thing is... A lot of the stuff in the battlepass is either going to be not tradable for months, or simply isn't going to be the same value as what you put in. I have read up on this.
And the Arcanas and Personas aren't tradable either, which is where most of the money should be going...

Exclusives are incentive. Miss it, it's gone. Healthier to play the game for the game. If you actually played the title the skins wont matter. You talk of its visual quality and lack of profiting back from the BP.

I see through you now.

That last quote is creepy, sorry. You are right that one shouldn't literally profit though now that I read what Zooi posted.

[ADiscountTaDaMon!]

Автор сообщения: 🦋zooi

Автор сообщения: Discount Dietzs #SaveTF2 Velk.CA

You do have a point... It would affect other games on Steam. And I didn't think of that about Personas. I am wrong about chests and Immortals then.

i still wish at least they would leave arcanas to be purchasable as an notmal item. and make other stuff exclusive such as terrains, etc whatever. arcana is too important of an item imo to be behind exclusive paywall since every hero will probably only have 1, but its sad and we gotta accept it.

I'm bothered by giftable Arcanas and BP exclusive ones. I wish I could just buy Faceless Void Arcana by itself for 40-50 dollars. I almost dropped 50 dollars on BP for it anyway.

[ADiscountTaDaMon!]

Someone slapped a jester award on this, lol. Free Steam points.... I just don't really know now what to spend the 3000 points I have on

[ADiscountTaDaMon!]

Автор сообщения: 🦋zooi

Автор сообщения: Discount Dietzs #SaveTF2 Velk.CA

The thing is... A lot of the stuff in the battlepass is either going to be not tradable for months, or simply isn't going to be the same value as what you put in. I have read up on this.
And the Arcanas and Personas aren't tradable either, which is where most of the money should be going...

youre saying it like this is some new information. one of reasons stuff became account bound and marketable after the next TI is because valve didnt like people turning profit every battlepass and recycling same money into multiple battlepasses. it wasnt used to be so exclusive and so expensive. whether we agree with their decision or not you have to admit that if you had a company and made a free game, and someone was able to put in 100$ in your game and make 500$, and reusing that profit to profit more, youd have an issue as well. seeing also as this free game dota2 is on steam, where this profit can be used not only on this game but all over the steam platform, games and other, heavily deflating prices on community market also. it was not healthy system when thousands of people started doing it.
so, do i like that personas and arcanas are account bound? hell no. but i can see why they went that route and you can simply choose to vote with your wallet and not buy it. personas are in my opinion worse than cosmetics because if you have cool immortals or arcana you cant use it if you have persona equipped anyway.

Thanks for your explanation. I will probably reinstall the game now that I've mulled this whole thing over. I will probably enjoy the game anyway if I ignore the stuff about cosmetics and mostly keep trying to improve, maybe find people to queue with.

[Konichiwa is crazy]

i used play hots and skins there are better then arcane .And way way less expensive . League have also very creative skins.

[zZzooey.exe]

Автор сообщения: Discount Dietzs #SaveTF2 Velk.CA

Автор сообщения: 🦋zooi

youre saying it like this is some new information. one of reasons stuff became account bound and marketable after the next TI is because valve didnt like people turning profit every battlepass and recycling same money into multiple battlepasses. it wasnt used to be so exclusive and so expensive. whether we agree with their decision or not you have to admit that if you had a company and made a free game, and someone was able to put in 100$ in your game and make 500$, and reusing that profit to profit more, youd have an issue as well. seeing also as this free game dota2 is on steam, where this profit can be used not only on this game but all over the steam platform, games and other, heavily deflating prices on community market also. it was not healthy system when thousands of people started doing it.
so, do i like that personas and arcanas are account bound? hell no. but i can see why they went that route and you can simply choose to vote with your wallet and not buy it. personas are in my opinion worse than cosmetics because if you have cool immortals or arcana you cant use it if you have persona equipped anyway.

Thanks for your explanation. I will probably reinstall the game now that I've mulled this whole thing over. I will probably enjoy the game anyway if I ignore the stuff about cosmetics and mostly keep trying to improve, maybe find people to queue with.

enjoy the game, have fun, add some people who were nice, play heroes you enjoy
if youre not having fun, its not good
have fun

[ADiscountTaDaMon!]

Автор сообщения: MeAnd4Idiots

i used play hots and skins there are better then arcane .And way way less expensive . League have also very creative skins.

I tried HotS. I feel bad for the people who lost that game to Blizzard's incompetence. Both League and HotS have great skins. League has always had way more skinlines and ideas though. HotS I agree has skins that are technically better than Arcanas in terms of how they were picked and their theme, which is why it's a bummer that game is dead tbh, plus the fact it forced you to work with your team far more than even Dota to even begin to win matches, but it wasn't in-depth and never asked for too much from you either

[ADiscountTaDaMon!]

Автор сообщения: 🦋zooi

Автор сообщения: Discount Dietzs #SaveTF2 Velk.CA

Thanks for your explanation. I will probably reinstall the game now that I've mulled this whole thing over. I will probably enjoy the game anyway if I ignore the stuff about cosmetics and mostly keep trying to improve, maybe find people to queue with.

enjoy the game, have fun, add some people who were nice, play heroes you enjoy
if youre not having fun, its not good
have fun

Thanks!

[অলমোস্ট ৮কে]

i was a cosmetic hungry fool once

[Sam]

I think the cosmetic system in this is quite good.

I mean you can get awesome looking skins for as low as a couple cents.

Sure the Arcanas are expensive: But they are REALLY high quality and also you dont buy the battlepass exclusively for them Arcanas allone, you get hundreds of other stuff aswell.

I bought the 8€ battlepass only, and 1,5 weeks later i am allready level 41, just by playing.
I am sure i can unlock the first Arcana with just 8€ spend - plus all the other stuff.

[76561199060249884]

Then why don't you just play those other games instead of bragging something that you can't buy and how items in this games are stupid and other games are better?