Why can't play with 4 member party?

[Team_Traitor]

I don't know if this is already discussed or talked. What is the reason behind why Dota 2 does not allow a 4 member party to play?

I would like to play with my guild member but sometimes we are only 4 online at the same time. I feel bad for the other one that has to leave so the other 3 can play. In Heroes of Newerth this was fine, yeah I know this is Dota 2.

I wonder why steam does not allow 4 member party playing rank. Is it really hard to calculate some algorithm stuff to generate a balance enemy team?

[76561199098238022]

The 4 men stack used to be the most toxic toward the solo dude in ranked; so they disabled it ~8-9 years ago... 4 men party members never say anything about their own mistakes and blame the 5th solo player and also abuse report on the poor player.

[Artek [General]]

I'd guess this is because it means that a 5th player? But I fail to see what the problem is with that, since they allow 1+1+3 just fine, last I checked...

[AIR]

Originally posted by Aku:

The 4 men stack used to be the most toxic toward the solo dude in ranked; so they disabled it ~8-9 years ago... 4 men party members never say anything about their own mistakes and blame the 5th solo player and also abuse report on the poor player.

This.

A lot of games doesn't allow that because of the odd man out tend to be marginalized. You can still play like that in Unranked and Turbo, or, worst case scenarion, you can alternate one friend playing as Coach while you Trio. It's kinda good, actually, having a pair of eyes that isn't engaged in playing: he can give you guys perspective, a lot of information about items, suggestion for wards - live coaching is so OP that there was some drama years ago about PPD live coaching a professional team - something that is forbidden because it gives a huge edge.

[76561198103775815]

because there is a 1000% chance you will all report "THE OTHER GUY" even if one of your allies is the problem.

[Ragnoraok]

Huh, I vaguely remember playing against a 4-man stack a couple of years ago in ranked and unranked.

[AIR]

Originally posted by Ragnoraok:

Huh, I vaguely remember playing against a 4-man stack a couple of years ago in ranked and unranked.

Mandella effect. Pepega.

[mortacci]

Originally posted by Ragnoraok:

Huh, I vaguely remember playing against a 4-man stack a couple of years ago in ranked and unranked.

impossible, is many years that is like that

[Did you try barking at the PC?]

Originally posted by Aku:

The 4 men stack used to be the most toxic toward the solo dude in ranked; so they disabled it ~8-9 years ago... 4 men party members never say anything about their own mistakes and blame the 5th solo player and also abuse report on the poor player.

Exactly this. I used to only play solo ranked and 4-man party stacks were the worst experience I had in what was already a toxic environment with ranked. They would never communicate because they were on discord and would ignore the solo player, and if something goes wrong you got 4 reports + enemy reports from "plz report this player" because they never assume responsibility for their mistakes. I am glad they don't exist anymore. Sadly the community isn't ready for this.

[清冲游戏]

Originally posted by Team_Traitor:

I don't know if this is already discussed or talked. What is the reason behind why Dota 2 does not allow a 4 member party to play?

I would like to play with my guild member but sometimes we are only 4 online at the same time. I feel bad for the other one that has to leave so the other 3 can play. In Heroes of Newerth this was fine, yeah I know this is Dota 2.

I wonder why steam does not allow 4 member party playing rank. Is it really hard to calculate some algorithm stuff to generate a balance enemy team?

it can be hard for solo to eat 4 reports from ur party.

[GSBConstantine]

because then 1 person has to play with you 4 cretins.

[Chausar]

Originally posted by Aku:

The 4 men stack used to be the most toxic toward the solo dude in ranked; so they disabled it ~8-9 years ago... 4 men party members never say anything about their own mistakes and blame the 5th solo player and also abuse report on the poor player.

Or else it will expose how pathetically the reporting system works

[AIR]

Originally posted by 76561199047883641:

Originally posted by Team_Traitor:

I don't know if this is already discussed or talked. What is the reason behind why Dota 2 does not allow a 4 member party to play?

I would like to play with my guild member but sometimes we are only 4 online at the same time. I feel bad for the other one that has to leave so the other 3 can play. In Heroes of Newerth this was fine, yeah I know this is Dota 2.

I wonder why steam does not allow 4 member party playing rank. Is it really hard to calculate some algorithm stuff to generate a balance enemy team?

it can be hard for solo to eat 4 reports from ur party.

And people that queue in a party never understand this basic system.

[AIR]

Originally posted by Kelen:

Originally posted by Aku:

The 4 men stack used to be the most toxic toward the solo dude in ranked; so they disabled it ~8-9 years ago... 4 men party members never say anything about their own mistakes and blame the 5th solo player and also abuse report on the poor player.

Or else it will expose how pathetically the reporting system works

It is not as if Single Draft isn't something that people already "boost" anyway.

[Ragnoraok]

Originally posted by GSBConstantine:

because then 1 person has to play with you 4 cretins.

yea, but a team in a 2-stack or 3-stack can still ruin a person's behavior score, although a 4-stack is still worse.

[Lamundari]

That's easily the best decision they took in the history of this game, and it's not even close.