When is it worth upgrading Vanguard into Crimson Guard?

[Figgle]

I don't know of this item is worth the upgrade cost

[ChemicalBacon]

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Coming from somone who got banned and now follows me around threads like a puppy I find this laughable :)

who's the puppy now, big boi?

Cute, it thinks its being smart

[ChemicalBacon]

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Coming from somone who got banned and now follows me around threads like a puppy I find this laughable :)

Srsly tho, Crimson is a late game item of vanguard.

Its pretty much like a POI but for melee, its pretty awesome on tanky heros like BB

[TychoNewtonius]

always. vangaurd is ♥♥♥♥.

A better quaestion is when is ist worth upgarding a buckler to a cg because Buckler is actually usefull by itself.

[everything sucks]

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always. vangaurd is ♥♥♥♥.

A better quaestion is when is ist worth upgarding a buckler to a cg because Buckler is actually usefull by itself.

I ask you this? Will you upgrade a level 1 dagon to level 2? or nah?

[ChemicalBacon]

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always. vangaurd is ♥♥♥♥.

A better quaestion is when is ist worth upgarding a buckler to a cg because Buckler is actually usefull by itself.

Vanguard is very good early game for durables.
It just scales badly late game

[Allah Akbar]

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always. vangaurd is ♥♥♥♥.

A better quaestion is when is ist worth upgarding a buckler to a cg because Buckler is actually usefull by itself.

Vanguard is very good early game for durables.
It just scales badly late game

it does not scale badly late game if you are against a team of noobs. misleading info yet again

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Vanguard is very good early game for durables.
It just scales badly late game

it does not scale badly late game if you are against a team of noobs. misleading info yet again

But what if theyre pros...... :P

[ChemicalBacon]

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Vanguard is very good early game for durables.
It just scales badly late game

it does not scale badly late game if you are against a team of noobs. misleading info yet again

Vanguard stats:
Gives a chance to block damage, depending on the type of hero you are.
Chance to Block: 80%
Damage Blocked (melee wielder): 40
Damage Blocked (ranged wielder): 20

So late game heros are hitting 140+ damage at the very least. Plus auras and spells.

And you think blocking 40/20 of that will help?
Don't think so.

However:
Crimson guard:-
Gives a chance to block damage, depending on the type of hero you are.
Chance to Block: 80%
Damage Blocked (melee wielder): 40
Damage Blocked (ranged wielder): 20

Active:
Grant nearby allied heroes a 100% chance to block 50 damage from each incoming attack, along with 2 armor. Lasts 9 seconds.
Bonus Armor: 2
Duration: 9
Radius: 750
Damage Blocked: 50

Crimson guard is much better for teamfights late game, as it buffs allied heros nearby.

So yes, vanguard does scale badly late game compared to crimson guard.

Now back to your trash dota games :)

[Allah Akbar]

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it does not scale badly late game if you are against a team of noobs. misleading info yet again

But what if theyre pros...... :P

then yes it scales badly. but this is all just pure assumption

[Allah Akbar]

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it does not scale badly late game if you are against a team of noobs. misleading info yet again

Vanguard stats:
Gives a chance to block damage, depending on the type of hero you are.
Chance to Block: 80%
Damage Blocked (melee wielder): 40
Damage Blocked (ranged wielder): 20

So late game heros are hitting 140+ damage at the very least. Plus auras and spells.

And you think blocking 40/20 of that will help?
Don't think so.

However:
Crimson guard:-
Gives a chance to block damage, depending on the type of hero you are.
Chance to Block: 80%
Damage Blocked (melee wielder): 40
Damage Blocked (ranged wielder): 20

Active:
Grant nearby allied heroes a 100% chance to block 50 damage from each incoming attack, along with 2 armor. Lasts 9 seconds.
Bonus Armor: 2
Duration: 9
Radius: 750
Damage Blocked: 50

Crimson guard is much better for teamfights late game, as it buffs allied heros nearby.

So yes, vangaud does scale badly late game compared to crimson guard.

Now back to your trash dota games :)

again, pure assumption by dear chemicalbacon.
one does not know what happens in a game
many scenarios might happen so your info might not necessarily be true.
nice try though

[ChemicalBacon]

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Vanguard stats:
Gives a chance to block damage, depending on the type of hero you are.
Chance to Block: 80%
Damage Blocked (melee wielder): 40
Damage Blocked (ranged wielder): 20

So late game heros are hitting 140+ damage at the very least. Plus auras and spells.

And you think blocking 40/20 of that will help?
Don't think so.

However:
Crimson guard:-
Gives a chance to block damage, depending on the type of hero you are.
Chance to Block: 80%
Damage Blocked (melee wielder): 40
Damage Blocked (ranged wielder): 20

Active:
Grant nearby allied heroes a 100% chance to block 50 damage from each incoming attack, along with 2 armor. Lasts 9 seconds.
Bonus Armor: 2
Duration: 9
Radius: 750
Damage Blocked: 50

Crimson guard is much better for teamfights late game, as it buffs allied heros nearby.

So yes, vangaud does scale badly late game compared to crimson guard.

Now back to your trash dota games :)

again, pure assumption by dear chemicalbacon.
one does not know what happens in a game
many scenarios might happen so your info might not necessarily be true.
nice try though

So you are saying teamfights don't happen late game?
Thats cute that with so many hours you still don't understand how Dota works ;)

[SWAT V4]

Atleast now I dont have to sell my Vanguard in the late phases.

I wouldnt complain about a CG on my NightStalker later on. Saves him from dragging the team (more in case I didnt execute early ganks well).

[Allah Akbar]

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again, pure assumption by dear chemicalbacon.
one does not know what happens in a game
many scenarios might happen so your info might not necessarily be true.
nice try though

So you are saying teamfights don't happen late game?
Thats cute that with so many hours you still don't understand how Dota works ;)

we don't know for certain.
maybe the two teams will death ball on different lanes, maybe they will try to outrat each other.
again, it's all just assumption.

[SWAT V4]

Cant you two just drop it and move along?

There's no rule in the Forum Rule Book stating that "the one who posts last wins the debate".

[ChemicalBacon]

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So you are saying teamfights don't happen late game?
Thats cute that with so many hours you still don't understand how Dota works ;)

we don't know for certain.
maybe the two teams will death ball on different lanes, maybe they will try to outrat each other.
again, it's all just assumption.

LOL
So you are saying that teamfights don't happen late game?
Oh please, thats just denial because you know I'm correct

Even if ratting is going on there are still teamfights, if 4 people push mid at least 4 others will need to stop them.