Rikimaru (Riki) Counter - Monkey King Bar

[>Mindfre@k<]

I love the hero and i play with him a lot. . . His smoke isnt O/P, his invisibility isnt and none of his skills scale that well late game. . ! Riki is a hero who teaches u to play as a team and punishes heros, especially supports who roam about alone. . ! His counter, the obvious ones are dust, sen wards and gem, in the laning phase. . . But i think, his best counter is MKB, yet i have never seen that being told in any of the discussions. . . Any Riki player would fist smoke then blink. . . If we have a MKB, he is as good as dead as he completely depends on back stab. . ! Y dont people, especially carries focus on making a MKB than buying a gem. . ?

[Nevermore]

Cos gem cost -900, MKB -5400. Gem gives vision, so Riki can be stuned /disables before it attacks. and disabled rik i=dead riki. MKB is a counter to riki, hmmm. Not really. Gem does the job just fine.

[Dominus]

Originally posted by Nevermore:

Cos gem cost -900, MKB -5400. Gem gives vision, so Riki can be stuned /disables before it attacks. and disabled rik i=dead riki. MKB is a counter to riki, hmmm. Not really. Gem does the job just fine.

The two items serve an entirely different purpose. Gem does not give true strike which is the biggest problem inside Riki's smoke.

[Allah Akbar]

Originally posted by Dominus:

Originally posted by Nevermore:

Cos gem cost -900, MKB -5400. Gem gives vision, so Riki can be stuned /disables before it attacks. and disabled rik i=dead riki. MKB is a counter to riki, hmmm. Not really. Gem does the job just fine.

The two items serve an entirely different purpose. Gem does not give true strike which is the biggest problem inside Riki's smoke.

Gem will allow you to kill Riki before he is able to deploy the smoke.

[Nevermore]

Originally posted by Dominus:

Originally posted by Nevermore:

Cos gem cost -900, MKB -5400. Gem gives vision, so Riki can be stuned /disables before it attacks. and disabled rik i=dead riki. MKB is a counter to riki, hmmm. Not really. Gem does the job just fine.

The two items serve an entirely different purpose. Gem does not give true strike which is the biggest problem inside Riki's smoke.

Uhhh. take away rikis invisibility so he can't strike and/or escape for 900 gold is good enough. No need to waste 5400. Disable it as soon as you see it. How on Earth it's gonna smock you?

[Dominus]

Originally posted by Nevermore:

Originally posted by Dominus:

The two items serve an entirely different purpose. Gem does not give true strike which is the biggest problem inside Riki's smoke.

Uhhh. take away rikis invisibility so he can't strike and/or escape for 900 gold is good enough. No need to waste 5400. Disable it as soon as you see it. How on Earth it's gonna smock you?

Carries will not usuaslly carry gem because there are other more important items to occupy your 6 slots. If you are farming ancients or for whatever reason you are not with gem carrier, fed Riki will smoke you and kill you. And MKB is not a waste of gold, it gives good damge and true strike.

Besides, gem is always a risky purchase. If you throw it you can harm team mates who picked invis heroes or purchased Shadow blade.

[Superfly]

Sure, mkb is great if you can afford it. A much more reasonable item to get to counter smoke is bkb though. But it all depends on the game, the other heroes, etc. etc.

[76561198211478784]

Next time I go up against a Riki, I'll try MKB :D

[Snib]

Originally posted by Dominus:

If you are farming ancients or for whatever reason you are not with gem carrier, fed Riki will smoke you and kill you.

A fed Riki will have Abyssal Blade by the time you get your MKB so you'll not be hitting him anyway in a 1v1. Not that I think MKB is a bad pickup vs Riki but more in a teamfight perspective. Solo you die to him, that's just the nature of the hero.

[>Mindfre@k<]

Originally posted by DAVIN✪CHOLET:

Next time I go up against a Riki, I'll try MKB :D

I play troll, he is my best pick. . . If i find a riki in that game, i ensure i make yasha and then rush for a MKB. . . Riki comes very confidently. . . Smokes. . . And what i do is face him and puch his face. . . He is useless if he cant backstab. . !

[>Mindfre@k<]

Originally posted by Snib:

Originally posted by Dominus:

If you are farming ancients or for whatever reason you are not with gem carrier, fed Riki will smoke you and kill you.

A fed Riki will have Abyssal Blade by the time you get your MKB so you'll not be hitting him anyway in a 1v1. Not that I think MKB is a bad pickup vs Riki but more in a teamfight perspective. Solo you die to him, that's just the nature of the hero.

I personally prefer agility items over MOM and Abysal. . ! Backstab is a multiple of the agility. . .

[Foster]

Originally posted by Dominus:

Originally posted by Nevermore:

Uhhh. take away rikis invisibility so he can't strike and/or escape for 900 gold is good enough. No need to waste 5400. Disable it as soon as you see it. How on Earth it's gonna smock you?

Carries will not usuaslly carry gem because there are other more important items to occupy your 6 slots. If you are farming ancients or for whatever reason you are not with gem carrier, fed Riki will smoke you and kill you. And MKB is not a waste of gold, it gives good damge and true strike.

Besides, gem is always a risky purchase. If you throw it you can harm team mates who picked invis heroes or purchased Shadow blade.

If there is a fed riki and youre farming by yourself when someone in your team has a gem and you don't even have sentrys around you, you deserve to get owned by riki.
And if you buy MKB only because of smokescreen you also deserve to lose.

[>Mindfre@k<]

Originally posted by Foster Chair:

Originally posted by Dominus:

Carries will not usuaslly carry gem because there are other more important items to occupy your 6 slots. If you are farming ancients or for whatever reason you are not with gem carrier, fed Riki will smoke you and kill you. And MKB is not a waste of gold, it gives good damge and true strike.

Besides, gem is always a risky purchase. If you throw it you can harm team mates who picked invis heroes or purchased Shadow blade.

If there is a fed riki and youre farming by yourself when someone in your team has a gem and you don't even have sentrys around you, you deserve to get owned by riki.
And if you buy MKB only because of smokescreen you also deserve to lose.

Every Riki reies on backstab. . . MKB doesnt let him use his most vital skill. . !

[>Mindfre@k<]

Relies*

[Foster]

Originally posted by >Mindfre@k<:

Originally posted by Foster Chair:

If there is a fed riki and youre farming by yourself when someone in your team has a gem and you don't even have sentrys around you, you deserve to get owned by riki.
And if you buy MKB only because of smokescreen you also deserve to lose.

Every Riki reies on backstab. . . MKB doesnt let him use his most vital skill. . !

Or you could just run away from the incredibly small aoe smoke... or face him while it last so he doesnt backstab you are or get a bkb which is usually a good pickup.
Wasting 5400 gold just because of a miss chance on a small aoe is throwing the game. If they have something like a brewmaster maybe, and ill still rather get a bkb because you know, brewmaster.

[Snib]

Originally posted by >Mindfre@k<:

Originally posted by Snib:

A fed Riki will have Abyssal Blade by the time you get your MKB so you'll not be hitting him anyway in a 1v1. Not that I think MKB is a bad pickup vs Riki but more in a teamfight perspective. Solo you die to him, that's just the nature of the hero.

I personally prefer agility items over MOM and Abysal. . ! Backstab is a multiple of the agility. . .

I never go MoM (unnecessary risk on Riki IMHO) but Abyssal is core. Your agility doesn't help if they do not turn their back. 2 seconds abyssal stun ensure they do. Plus it helps loads with enemy bkb carries that would stun you themselves otherwise (e.g. troll bashwarlord).

Originally posted by >Mindfre@k<:

Originally posted by Foster Chair:

If there is a fed riki and youre farming by yourself when someone in your team has a gem and you don't even have sentrys around you, you deserve to get owned by riki.
And if you buy MKB only because of smokescreen you also deserve to lose.

Every Riki reies on backstab. . . MKB doesnt let him use his most vital skill. . !

MKB does nothing to prevent backstabs...