PA - Spectre

[Apocalypse]

I have read somewhere , I guess in reddit, about the striking resemblance of these two heroes.
The abilities are almost identical, either of the counterpart being a better version of the same skill. Some said theories about Spectre being the future of PA, or Spectre being the ultimate form of Phantom Assassin in some WC game ( I wouldn't know as I have only played WC FT and never Dota 1).

Is it possible for the community to bring in their valid and mature inputs to this discussion, so that we may dissect and explore this further?

Illustration ( which obviously I just did ): http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww325/SWATVersion3/Spec.png

[iLL357]

PA is warden in Warcraft 3 or Dota1 and Spectre is her ultimate, where she changes form, maybe that's what the "theories" meant, she's an evolved warden, not the future of pa lmao
Actually she doesn't change form, I don't wanna confuse you and think she's some kind of female Terrorblade, she spawns an ethereal copy of herself which attacks enemies kinda

PA (warden) http://s47.radikal.ru/i117/1210/d9/17db1ff050be.gif
Spectre (warden's ulti) http://dota2.ru/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/spectre1.jpg

[chevalierknight]

Originally posted by Apocalypse:

I have read somewhere , I guess in reddit, about the striking resemblance of these two heroes.
The abilities are almost identical, either of the counterpart being a better version of the same skill. Some said theories about Spectre being the future of PA, or Spectre being the ultimate form of Phantom Assassin in some WC game ( I wouldn't know as I have only played WC FT and never Dota 1).

Is it possible for the community to bring in their valid and mature inputs to this discussion, so that we may dissect and explore this further?

most of this is just wrong and dumb she looks nothing like pa and there skills are nothing alike cirts % mean pure damage ? and blur means 22% blowback ? no nothing alike and silly

[Tirigon]

Originally posted by Apocalypse:

I have read somewhere , I guess in reddit, about the striking resemblance of these two heroes.
The abilities are almost identical, either of the counterpart being a better version of the same skill. Some said theories about Spectre being the future of PA, or Spectre being the ultimate form of Phantom Assassin in some WC game ( I wouldn't know as I have only played WC FT and never Dota 1).

Is it possible for the community to bring in their valid and mature inputs to this discussion, so that we may dissect and explore this further?

Yea as Wesley said, the models come from the same hero in WC3.

Everything else you just said is dumb as hell though, there's pretty much no 2 heroes that are less alike than these 2.

[achus93]

Originally posted by Apocalypse:

I have read somewhere , I guess in reddit, about the striking resemblance of these two heroes.
The abilities are almost identical, either of the counterpart being a better version of the same skill. Some said theories about Spectre being the future of PA, or Spectre being the ultimate form of Phantom Assassin in some WC game ( I wouldn't know as I have only played WC FT and never Dota 1).

Is it possible for the community to bring in their valid and mature inputs to this discussion, so that we may dissect and explore this further?

oh, i read about that discussion as well.

it was just some people, theorycrafting that since PA kinda went a bit inhuman thanks to the arcana (and how time no longer matters to her, thanks to the swords and Oracle), that at the end of the road, she'd end up turning to Spectre (which would explain why Spectre has a new voice)

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by Wesley Snipersson:

PA is warden in Warcraft 3 or Dota1 and Spectre is her ultimate, where she changes form, maybe that's what the "theories" meant, she's an evolved warden, not the future of pa lmao

( I wouldn't know as I have only played WC FT and never Dota 1)

So from your perspective, an evolved form, doesn't come in the future, right? I do find that hard to grasp.

Originally posted by Coup de Grâce:

most of this is just wrong and dumb she looks nothing like pa and there skills are nothing alike cirts % mean pure damage ? and blur means 22% blowback ? no nothing alike and silly

I made this discussion for the mentally mature ones who are not in their puberty crisis stages.

I can go on explaining how they are similar, I was hoping that the people with brains would find it unnecessary, will write it down for the intellectually inferior ones though.

Spectral Dagger-Stifling Dagger
No explanation needed, I believe, will still write it down. Human stupidity is Intriguing.
Daggers thrown at a target, one is single target while the other hits multiple, with a mana cost trade off.

Dispersion-Blur
One has 50% chance to avoid incoming right click damage at max level, the other reflects back a percentage of all incoming damage and thereby leaving spectre unharmed. Both provides a sort f survivability.

Coupe de Grace-Desolate
Both two forms of increased damage. One is reduced by enemies with high armor the other goes through armor and spell immunity by trading off the amount of damage dealt.

Phantom Strike-Reality
Instant teleportation to a target, one only works on enemy units and has high CD while other can be spammed, and also used on allies. One is global, where as the other has a fixed range. One gives increased attack speed and the other gives increased damage if the target is alone.

Every skill can be compared and one version is a better version of the other.


As far as the heroes go as far as looks are concerned,
both heroes have a single blade in the original models, anatomically similar if one considered as a ghost form of the other, gender.

[iLL357]

Bro, Warden's ulti as a hero in Warcraft 3 was spawning a ranged ethereal form of hers (as shown in the second picture, which later became the hero model of spectre) to attack her enemies. So it wasn't evolving, was her ghost form as ranged, somethign like that..

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by achus93:

it was just some people, theorycrafting

And what exactly is wrong with theory crafting?
While 75% of the topics revolving around a few selected topics including ,

• "Specific hero" is OP
  
• Nerf a "Specific Hero"
  
• When is a "Specific Event"Coming
  
• When is a "Specific hero" getting released
  
• My account is hacked
  
• Flaming on a specific nationality.
  
  I believe brain storming and theory crafting serves as a much better discussion.

[achus93]

Originally posted by Apocalypse:

Originally posted by achus93:

it was just some people, theorycrafting

And what exactly is wrong with theory crafting?

nobody said it was wrong, dude.

i'm just saying what it was.

[chevalierknight]

Originally posted by Apocalypse:

Originally posted by Wesley Snipersson:

PA is warden in Warcraft 3 or Dota1 and Spectre is her ultimate, where she changes form, maybe that's what the "theories" meant, she's an evolved warden, not the future of pa lmao

( I wouldn't know as I have only played WC FT and never Dota 1)

So from your perspective, an evolved form, doesn't come in the future, right? I do find that hard to grasp.

Originally posted by Coup de Grâce:

most of this is just wrong and dumb she looks nothing like pa and there skills are nothing alike cirts % mean pure damage ? and blur means 22% blowback ? no nothing alike and silly

I made this discussion for the mentally mature ones who are not in their puberty crisis stages.

I can go on explaining how they are similar, I was hoping that the people with brains would find it unnecessary, will write it down for the intellectually inferior ones though.

Spectral Dagger-Stifling Dagger
No explanation needed, I believe, will still write it down. Human stupidity is Intriguing.
Daggers thrown at a target, one is single target while the other hits multiple, with a mana cost trade off.

Dispersion-Blur
One has 50% chance to avoid incoming right click damage at max level, the other reflects back a percentage of all incoming damage and thereby leaving spectre unharmed. Both provides a sort f survivability.

Coupe de Grace-Desolate
Both two forms of increased damage. One is reduced by enemies with high armor the other goes through armor and spell immunity by trading off the amount of damage dealt.

Phantom Strike-Reality
Instant teleportation to a target, one only works on enemy units and has high CD while other can be spammed, and also used on allies. One is global, where as the other has a fixed range. One gives increased attack speed and the other gives increased damage if the target is alone.

Every skill can be compared and one version is a better version of the other.


As far as the heroes go as far as looks are concerned,
both heroes have a single blade in the original models, anatomically similar if one considered as a ghost form of the other, gender.

yeh there spells are nothing alike so mmk her ult does not give spectre damage if there alone that her pasive and its not just a telerport so if you dont even know that then.. and spectres pure damage does not lower here damage it adds the pure damage to the attack so you dont even know her spells .... allso spectres dagger gives movment past tarren but you seem to leave out lost of stuff to help you point as more then one has said nothing alike and dumb

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by Coup de Grâce:

Originally posted by Apocalypse:

So from your perspective, an evolved form, doesn't come in the future, right? I do find that hard to grasp.



I made this discussion for the mentally mature ones who are not in their puberty crisis stages.

I can go on explaining how they are similar, I was hoping that the people with brains would find it unnecessary, will write it down for the intellectually inferior ones though.

Spectral Dagger-Stifling Dagger
No explanation needed, I believe, will still write it down. Human stupidity is Intriguing.
Daggers thrown at a target, one is single target while the other hits multiple, with a mana cost trade off.

Dispersion-Blur
One has 50% chance to avoid incoming right click damage at max level, the other reflects back a percentage of all incoming damage and thereby leaving spectre unharmed. Both provides a sort f survivability.

Coupe de Grace-Desolate
Both two forms of increased damage. One is reduced by enemies with high armor the other goes through armor and spell immunity by trading off the amount of damage dealt.

Phantom Strike-Reality
Instant teleportation to a target, one only works on enemy units and has high CD while other can be spammed, and also used on allies. One is global, where as the other has a fixed range. One gives increased attack speed and the other gives increased damage if the target is alone.

Every skill can be compared and one version is a better version of the other.


As far as the heroes go as far as looks are concerned,
both heroes have a single blade in the original models, anatomically similar if one considered as a ghost form of the other, gender.

yeh there spells are nothing alike so mmk her ult does not give spectre damage if there alone that her pasive and its not just a telerport so if you dont even know that then.. and spectres pure damage does not lower here damage it adds the pure damage to the attack so you dont even know her spells .... allso spectres dagger gives movment past tarren but you seem to leave out lost of stuff to help you point as more then one has said nothing alike and dumb

You got your stupidity with crits there, I find you far too stupid to have a valid conversation with.

PS: work on your spelling, will make people take you more seriously.

PPS: work on logical reasoning, will make your comments more valid.

[chevalierknight]

li dont have to post anymore its dumb and noone agreas with you after i leave this topic will be dead

[Apocalypse]

Back on topic,

Originally posted by Wesley Snipersson:

Bro, Warden's ulti as a hero in Warcraft 3 was spawning a ranged ethereal form of hers (as shown in the second picture, which later became the hero model of spectre) to attack her enemies. So it wasn't evolving, was her ghost form as ranged, somethign like that..

Now, try making a "theory".

What if, the ghost form is actually the future PA, that she can summon at her will. What if Spectre, is actually a form of PA that she can summon at her will, and in the course of time, PA becomes Spectre.

Or you can stay with the point you said, as Spectre being a summoned form that is not necessarily PA, but still a part of her with similar qualities as herself. I don't know , you can be imaginative and come up with other possibilities. Try making it interesting.

[iLL357]

How about you just go and play Warcraft 3 campaign and stop trying to reinvent this hero and game? Warden has its ♥♥♥♥♥♥ lore and we don't need no imaginative ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from you since you don't even know what exactly defines this hero and what her roots are. I understand you're trying to bring something new beside the complaints and reports but this isn't going anywhere ..

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by Wesley Snipersson:

How about you just go and play Warcraft 3 campaign and stop trying to reinvent this hero and game? Warden has its ♥♥♥♥♥♥ lore and we don't need no imaginative ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from you since you don't even know what exactly defines this hero and what her roots are. I understand you're trying to bring something new beside the complaints and reports but this isn't going anywhere ..

You can keep that teen rage with your self, you are neither threatening me with that any how, nor I'm interested in a fight where I cannot physically hurt you. Mugging something that was made by someone would be normal for you, but it isn't for many people, some would want to explore possibilities of alternate stories and possibilities. It happens over every novel/story/tale that was ever created, made this so that they could put in their valid input.
If you are not intellectually brave, you may well leave.

Playing warcraft 3 has nothing to do with this topic.

[jay jay the dank planezinho]

you sound quite angry yourself, apocalypse. because of only this topic noless. what's up with that? hard to take a conversation seriously when even you decides to go rage mode.

as for the theory here... what is there to discuss? i mean, just inventing stuff because of how their models were similar in WC3 isn't going anywhere, I'm afraid. Pretty sure they are not related in any form and if they are, there are no hints at all since they don't even have lines among themselves in dota 2.