The Gambler

[NIGHTMARE]

bring back maverick the gambler

[ThunderWarrior]

Who the hell is that?

[Kimber Prime]

Originally posted by S.I.C. Anonymous:

Who the hell is that?

Haven't watched the whole video myself but I think it should answer your question:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT0kTUo5beI

[Aiscence]

Originally posted by Ghost:

Gambler was widely considered to be one of the most imbalanced heroes ever to exist and he was removed from the game. This was back in 5.xx days so before most people heard of DotA.

5.xx is when Guinsoo was in control and the game was called DotA Allstars. Icefrog started the legacy of 6.xx patches and is recognized for having a much better perspective about balance than Guinsoo ever did.

It was in the 6.00 patch he was added.

I think he could be balanced for the actual standard, but need a lot of test to be well balanced

[NIGHTMARE]

he stayed only for 6 month in 2005 really imbalanced luck and gold hero

[NIGHTMARE]

i think balencing this hero was better than removing it making his luck similar ti that of ogre and gold similar to doom or alcemist

[MEL GIBSON]

awesome thread, actualy good content for the community to learn. I myself did not play back then. Thus I had no idea of this hero. was glad to learn this. Thanks.

[Terminal Velocity]

What made his luck-based skills so imbalanced?

[Exceptional]

Originally posted by Dat 900mmr guy:

What made his luck-based skills so imbalanced?

I don't know why peoples whined about him,like pretty much everything in dota is luck based except some spell and stats,so,i don't see the problem with the gambler,whining about him is just super hypocrite..

Btw,i want dark terminator before the gambler,we need something for counter rat dota like tinker.

[day]

If he has 9k gold, he either deals 9k damage, or loses it all, I think it's fair.... :^)

[NIGHTMARE]

Originally posted by Dat 900mmr guy:

What made his luck-based skills so imbalanced?

You can watch the video if u want details but his ultimate as an exam would deal damage according to how much he have gold

[Spoops]

Originally posted by FishyFishyFishy:

Originally posted by Dat 900mmr guy:

What made his luck-based skills so imbalanced?

pretty much everything in dota is luck based

Come again?

Crits, dodge, miss, backtrack and Ogre (as well as a few other things) are luck based.

Most things are not luck based at all.

[NIGHTMARE]

Originally posted by Milky:

Originally posted by FishyFishyFishy:

pretty much everything in dota is luck based

Come again?

Crits, dodge, miss, backtrack and Ogre (as well as a few other things) are luck based.

Most things are not luck based at all.

maybe crits and backtracks dodges also can change games

[Deepbluediver]

Originally posted by FishyFishyFishy:

Originally posted by Dat 900mmr guy:

What made his luck-based skills so imbalanced?

I don't know why peoples whined about him,like pretty much everything in dota is luck based except some spell and stats,so,i don't see the problem with the gambler,whining about him is just super hypocrite..

There's things that can be random that make the game more interesting or fun, and random things that can be just frustrating. Obviously what's fun and what's not is going to depend somewhat on the individual players, but Gambler was (IMO) the kind of hero who would regularly swing an entire fight based soley on the RNG, without skill coming in to it at all. Essentially, that's TOO MUCH randomness for a game with such a high skill-cap.

[NinjutStu]

Gambler was really overpowered in his short time in the game and all of his mechanics revolved around betting actual player gold.

It would be interesting to see the character come back, but he'd probably be fully reworked from the one that existed back in Dota 1.

That being said, I wouldn't expect him anytime soon. It was Icefrog that took him out. Fun fact: Icefrog also took Techies out of the game. People demanded Techies back. Keep that in mind, Techies was taken out of the game and the comunity demanded his trolling to come back. We're wonderful.

[Spoops]

Originally posted by NIGHTMARE:

Originally posted by Milky:

Come again?

Crits, dodge, miss, backtrack and Ogre (as well as a few other things) are luck based.

Most things are not luck based at all.

maybe crits and backtracks dodges also can change games

They have an impact on games, yes - that doesn't mean that DotA is entirely luck based.