Why should I even consider using Tranquil Boots on selected heroes.

[KrazyOne]

I'm baffled how many people just blindly buy Tranquil Boots on heroes that would have better options. To name a few Axe and Pudge come to mind.

I just don't see the reason for them. Even with the regen from the boots you are going to rarely be full health in time to jump back into a fight with those two in general. You have far more health than say a Crystal Maiden who use of Tranquil Boots are reasonable.

My person opinion regarding the boots in general are simply below average boots that provide little for the cost for heroes who can make better use of more mana via Arcane or Boots of Travel. Heck even Phase seems more viable than Tranquil.

What is the reason you would use Tranquil Boots?

[corbet]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sammy:

It also depends on the picks..



GO TRY lvl 1 axe against witch doctor troll or any ranged carry

no it doesn't depend on the picks. only real pick to worry about is clock or pudge, because clock is harder for axe to kill and can lock down axe the best. other than WITCH DOCTOR IS 100 PERCENT FOOOD ,NO QUESTIONS AXED, NOT EVEN CLOSE. ANY RANGED CARRY IS EASIER TO KILL BECAUSE THEY ARE RANGED AND SLOWER AND SQUISHIER. YOU CAN FARM BEHIND TOWERS LEVEL 1 WITH ABOUT 5 PERCENT LIKELY HOOD TO ACTUALLY FEED IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. and 98 percent of time take enemy tower before 5 minutes, and over 75 percent of time make multiple enemies feed, and you out gold and xp everyone in the match. no one can handle it that early, if you are bad axe, who doesnt farm behind tower from level 1 and beyond, you already lost your edge you could of gotten, so if you try it later it will be less effective. and remember any enemies who go to stop you are missing xp and gold, the creep wave was more gold and xp than killing axe, AND THEY WON'T KILL AXE, AXE WILL KILL THEM.

[Sammy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von playing dota2 now:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sammy:

tranquil boots are great for tanks ( axe, centaur)

and roaming heroes like supports -> earth shaker tranquils into soulring = he doesn't need to spend so much money on tps to come back to fountain after a team fight.. same happens with cm, with her low hp pool you can regenerate fast instead of walking back to fountain or wasting a tp.

if you go mana boots you don't have a good way to regenerate , that's when urn of shadows comes in.. makes you a little bit tankier, some mana regen and you can heal allies and yourself after roaming

centaur could get boots 1 then go for core items, same with axe, and they'd better off. tranquil is not the only efficient item in the game. tranquil is a great boots, but you WILL FALL OFF if you buy tranquil on someone like axe or centaur. while a shamman won't fall off so much if he bought tranquil. if you bought boots that actually gave right click of in combat movespeed like phase boots, power treads, or boots of travel, these are all better option for axe and centaur since they won't fall off as hard this way.

they obviously fall off for the tanks but considering they're cheap and they help you through laning phase/jungle and after early teamfights, they're worth the prize..

If you go brown boots dagger with axe, nice.. you got a really nice timing on dagger but if you don't complete tranquils you'll have to go back to base everytime you finish a fight

[Sammy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von playing dota2 now:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sammy:

It also depends on the picks..



GO TRY lvl 1 axe against witch doctor troll or any ranged carry

no it doesn't depend on the picks. only real pick to worry about is clock or pudge, because clock is harder for axe to kill and can lock down axe the best. other than WITCH DOCTOR IS 100 PERCENT FOOOD ,NO QUESTIONS AXED, NOT EVEN CLOSE. ANY RANGED CARRY IS EASIER TO KILL BECAUSE THEY ARE RANGED AND SLOWER AND SQUISHIER. YOU CAN FARM BEHIND TOWERS LEVEL 1 WITH ABOUT 5 PERCENT LIKELY HOOD TO ACTUALLY FEED IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. and 98 percent of time take enemy tower before 5 minutes, and over 75 percent of time make multiple enemies feed, and you out gold and xp everyone in the match. no one can handle it that early, if you are bad axe, who doesnt farm behind tower from level 1 and beyond, you already lost your edge you could of gotten, so if you try it later it will be less effective. and remember any enemies who go to stop you are missing xp and gold, the creep wave was more gold and xp than killing axe, AND THEY WON'T KILL AXE, AXE WILL KILL THEM.

I get your point but considering lvl 1 fights.. and the range of supports... witch doctor is one of the heroes with most right click damage at lvl 1..

if axe gets close to him or the carry or whatever, they won't die IF they don't run to the creep wave and axe calls them.. but everyone that knows how to play against axe knows that.
Drow ranger has a slow, she attacks, backs off, slow, repeat..
Dazzle can use heals damage over time, axe can't catch you when he's slowed and you're free to attack him.. you force him out of lane

[Sammy]

btw with precision's aura and vengeful's spirit passive you can just harass him out of lane without dying in a few seconds.. that's a lot of bonus right click damage.. add a witch doctor to that with his maledict and stun AND right click damage

[gutsytoe]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Tell me,do you feed?? YOU WILL:

They buy it because it can be later disasembled into other stuff.

you cannot disasimble them the only boot you can disasimble are mana boots, and even they are better than tb on axe, why cuz of guardian greaves lol

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mokaran:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gutsytoe:

i never said it was not the best item to regen after a fight i said they are the most unreliable item in the game and yes with tb you will be playing more passive than an axe with lets say a stout shield, ring of heath x2 (ik a friend who does that and turns them into other items), and a ring of protection. then you know what you can do with that turn them into other items like hod, vanguard you know the items that axe needs to stay alive in a fight that just the tip of the iceberg.

and yes there is a better shoeing its called powertreds they will add hp, if i remember i think axe needs that hmm well he is a tank does like to take a hit and be the center of attention.

and apparently you don't understand sarcasm no axe in there right mind would get a yasha.

HP with no armor on Axe is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ pointles, as stated above by other people, plus that atack speed don't do nothing on him, you waste 500 gold that can be invested in a way better item than threads, besides apart from a wand, if you get threads, what regen will you have on the lane? You're melee, you gonna get harrased, and that ring of armor works miracles in the lane phase, that later builds into tranquils and makes you stay in lane all you want, while Threads is way more expensive, and has a 500 gold waste. Pointless. Pluss I get tranquils around min 3:00 because they are cheaper (Health Ring and Boots), for threads you need boots, gloves and also a belt. Keep in mind the timing.

i never said not to get ring of protection if you had read what i posted you would have seen this.

its a waste of gold getting an item that fails you, you can take the ring of regen and make a hod instead of having to buy a 3rd one, also if you get vanguard you have armor then turn it into a crimson guard and laugh at them as they deal little to no dmg to you, that is if you succeeded in lane phase.

Like i said before when are you not getting hit by the opponent or a creep.

The timing i would rather have good timing on my vanguard and or hod than an item that does not help in fights at all unless you are a caster like cm or wd.

[76561198078917864]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gutsytoe:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Tell me,do you feed?? YOU WILL:

They buy it because it can be later disasembled into other stuff.

you cannot disasimble them the only boot you can disasimble are mana boots, and even they are better than tb on axe, why cuz of guardian greaves lol



Oh yeah forgot 6.79

[Mokaran]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gutsytoe:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Tell me,do you feed?? YOU WILL:

They buy it because it can be later disasembled into other stuff.

you cannot disasimble them the only boot you can disasimble are mana boots, and even they are better than tb on axe, why cuz of guardian greaves lol

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mokaran:

HP with no armor on Axe is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ pointles, as stated above by other people, plus that atack speed don't do nothing on him, you waste 500 gold that can be invested in a way better item than threads, besides apart from a wand, if you get threads, what regen will you have on the lane? You're melee, you gonna get harrased, and that ring of armor works miracles in the lane phase, that later builds into tranquils and makes you stay in lane all you want, while Threads is way more expensive, and has a 500 gold waste. Pointless. Pluss I get tranquils around min 3:00 because they are cheaper (Health Ring and Boots), for threads you need boots, gloves and also a belt. Keep in mind the timing.

i never said not to get ring of protection if you had read what i posted you would have seen this.

its a waste of gold getting an item that fails you, you can take the ring of regen and make a hod instead of having to buy a 3rd one, also if you get vanguard you have armor then turn it into a crimson guard and laugh at them as they deal little to no dmg to you, that is if you succeeded in lane phase.

Like i said before when are you not getting hit by the opponent or a creep.

The timing i would rather have good timing on my vanguard and or hod than an item that does not help in fights at all unless you are a caster like cm or wd.

It's a waste of gold an item that does nothing for you besides mere stats, you didn't asked my question still, and if you guy a ring of protection and you don't turn it on something useful you're wasting a slot on your inventory. You don't have regen in the laning phase, and in order to have Vanguard or HoD you need to farm, and you're melee, the most prone to get damage since your play style is actually taking it, tangoes don't do the job but for a brief moment, and Tranquils regen is OP apart from the armor and speed boost.

Edit: Onto late game you swich to Travels, but tranquils are still good at mid game. The speed, the regen, the armor, everything counts. You be better getting a wand for all those stats, but 500 gold on those gloves are just painful on Axe.

[gutsytoe]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mokaran:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gutsytoe:

you cannot disasimble them the only boot you can disasimble are mana boots, and even they are better than tb on axe, why cuz of guardian greaves lol





i never said not to get ring of protection if you had read what i posted you would have seen this.

its a waste of gold getting an item that fails you, you can take the ring of regen and make a hod instead of having to buy a 3rd one, also if you get vanguard you have armor then turn it into a crimson guard and laugh at them as they deal little to no dmg to you, that is if you succeeded in lane phase.

Like i said before when are you not getting hit by the opponent or a creep.

The timing i would rather have good timing on my vanguard and or hod than an item that does not help in fights at all unless you are a caster like cm or wd.

It's a waste of gold an item that does nothing for you besides mere stats, you didn't asked my question still, and if you guy a ring of protection and you don't turn it on something useful you're wasting a slot on your inventory. You don't have regen in the laning phase, and in order to have Vanguard or HoD you need to farm, and you're melee, the most prone to get damage since your play style is actually taking it, tangoes don't do the job but for a brief moment, and Tranquils regen is OP apart from the armor and speed boost.

Edit: Onto late game you swich to Travels, but tranquils are still good at mid game. The speed, the regen, the armor, everything counts. You be better getting a wand for all those stats, but 500 gold on those gloves are just painful on Axe.

i did answer your question you just don't seem to see it where its obvious.

and if you play axe right you will get your farm with no problem, and to have tb in mid is sad by then you should have sold them for something better.

Tranguil boots regen is only good outside of fights you want the regen in the fights where it counts, if you rely on boots to help you run away your sadly mistaken you will be chased down and die cuz that nice ms and regen you rely on is on cd.

[John Gibson]

axe tranquils is for 3 things
1. you drop em when you jungle and pick them back up for regen
2. armor = more spins
3. like the first point its like an early heart, you stand out of combat for a while and jump back in with full health

[KrazyOne]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Master Chef:

axe tranquils is for 3 things
1. you drop em when you jungle and pick them back up for regen
2. armor = more spins
3. like the first point its like an early heart, you stand out of combat for a while and jump back in with full health

There a reason for my argument and dislike for the items. I have over 10 years of Dota experience. I don't flaunt this fact around to prove my points, but it seems i have to do so to get the point across.

Do the math you if you got hit that means you are in combat either with player or creeps. It takes anywhere from 10 to 30 secs to clear a creep wave with Axe. Then you have to wait another 13 secs before the boots regen kicks in. Oh did i mention that is 10 regen a second. Axe at level 3 has 700 HP on Average. If you taken 300 damage that means you waitied 35 secs or more before full health. At which point you allowed 1 or 2 creep waves to reinforce the tower you had undercut. Lets even factor in if you are Jungling. Congrats you wasted 30 secs to heal that could have been used farming the creep camps before they reset.

Yes I understand these facts very well considering if Axe hasn't farmed a Blink and Vanguard by 15 minutes you are doing something extremely wrong. I have achieved a Blademail as well in 15 minutes many times over without hero kills. You cannot not farm with Axe even if you are being harrassed out of the lane. Its theoretically impossible unless you are a coward player.

As harsh as it seems I grow tired of the notion that such an item is viable on Axe. It is not never will be. There a reason why I have over 60% win rate with Axe I don't use Tranquil Boots. When I did try them out I lost every damn game. So clearly my experience contradicts the reason stated in this thread as far as Axe goes.

[GoabNZ]

What annoys me, and this is speaking as somebody who was guilty of this in my noobier days (I think we all were) are people who:
a) follow the suggested item guide like its law
b) don't know why they are buying certain items/the benefits it gives/better options to buy
c) buy items that do not work in the situation (aka better items available) - I have seen a DR buy a shadow blade even though Riki was being countered hard
d) find an item that works on one hero, and buy that on every other hero
e) don't know how items work together, and end up with multiple UAMs, or multiple evasion sources thinking it gives them 90% evasion.

[KrazyOne]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von GoabNZ:

What annoys me, and this is speaking as somebody who was guilty of this in my noobier days (I think we all were) are people who:
a) follow the suggested item guide like its law
b) don't know why they are buying certain items/the benefits it gives/better options to buy
c) buy items that do not work in the situation (aka better items available) - I have seen a DR buy a shadow blade even though Riki was being countered hard
d) find an item that works on one hero, and buy that on every other hero
e) don't know how items work together, and end up with multiple UAMs, or multiple evasion sources thinking it gives them 90% evasion.

That because these guides usually doesn't explain the purpose of the item. Usually most players will use what they have success with despite the knowledge to explain why it works. Alot of players don't get offended when you explain there is better options so long as you don't belittle them when you make the suggestion.

Its just that there are so many heroes and so many item combination players don't take the time to learn everything only what they need to know to play.

[Novogrod]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von KrazyOne:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Master Chef:

axe tranquils is for 3 things
1. you drop em when you jungle and pick them back up for regen
2. armor = more spins
3. like the first point its like an early heart, you stand out of combat for a while and jump back in with full health

There a reason for my argument and dislike for the items. I have over 10 years of Dota experience. I don't flaunt this fact around to prove my points, but it seems i have to do so to get the point across.

Do the math you if you got hit that means you are in combat either with player or creeps. It takes anywhere from 10 to 30 secs to clear a creep wave with Axe. Then you have to wait another 13 secs before the boots regen kicks in. Oh did i mention that is 10 regen a second. Axe at level 3 has 700 HP on Average. If you taken 300 damage that means you waitied 35 secs or more before full health. At which point you allowed 1 or 2 creep waves to reinforce the tower you had undercut. Lets even factor in if you are Jungling. Congrats you wasted 30 secs to heal that could have been used farming the creep camps before they reset.

Yes I understand these facts very well considering if Axe hasn't farmed a Blink and Vanguard by 15 minutes you are doing something extremely wrong. I have achieved a Blademail as well in 15 minutes many times over without hero kills. You cannot not farm with Axe even if you are being harrassed out of the lane. Its theoretically impossible unless you are a coward player.

As harsh as it seems I grow tired of the notion that such an item is viable on Axe. It is not never will be. There a reason why I have over 60% win rate with Axe I don't use Tranquil Boots. When I did try them out I lost every damn game. So clearly my experience contradicts the reason stated in this thread as far as Axe goes.

AXE HAS OVER TEN YEARS OF DOTA EXPERIENCE AS WELL, HE IS ALSO VERY HIGH MMR. SO NOW THAT WE GOT THAT OUT OF THE WAY, AXE SUGGESTS YOU GO BACK A FEW POSTS AND CHECK AXE'S MATH. HE QUITE LITERALLY DID THE MATH.

[Sammy]

Yeah sure axe.. like if axe can do maths .. haha

[A Street Sweeper]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von KrazyOne:

There a reason for my argument and dislike for the items. I have over 10 years of Dota experience. I don't flaunt this fact around to prove my points, but it seems i have to do so to get the point across.

Do the math you if you got hit that means you are in combat either with player or creeps. It takes anywhere from 10 to 30 secs to clear a creep wave with Axe. Then you have to wait another 13 secs before the boots regen kicks in. Oh did i mention that is 10 regen a second. Axe at level 3 has 700 HP on Average. If you taken 300 damage that means you waitied 35 secs or more before full health. At which point you allowed 1 or 2 creep waves to reinforce the tower you had undercut. Lets even factor in if you are Jungling. Congrats you wasted 30 secs to heal that could have been used farming the creep camps before they reset.

Yes I understand these facts very well considering if Axe hasn't farmed a Blink and Vanguard by 15 minutes you are doing something extremely wrong. I have achieved a Blademail as well in 15 minutes many times over without hero kills. You cannot not farm with Axe even if you are being harrassed out of the lane. Its theoretically impossible unless you are a coward player.

As harsh as it seems I grow tired of the notion that such an item is viable on Axe. It is not never will be. There a reason why I have over 60% win rate with Axe I don't use Tranquil Boots. When I did try them out I lost every damn game. So clearly my experience contradicts the reason stated in this thread as far as Axe goes.

Experience only means so much. I have friends with many more years in the game who I'm significantly better than. So say it takes axe 15 seconds to clear the wave. Waves only spawn every 30 seconds, and then you have more time before the opposing wave is killed as it has to stop to deal with the excess wave you pushed in. This gives you plenty of time to regen any lost health, and axe is naturally suited to tranqs as when he clears the wave he forces the enemy back, creating breaks in the fight where he regens much more than his opposition.

If you are rocking over 300gpm in the first 15mins as a solo offlane axe then your opposition is bad and their pos 1 will be getting 0 farm with no response from the team. If we are talking about a team that doesn't just let axe free farm (or are you suggesting there is actually no way to beat axe in lane?) then you won't be getting that farm. Hell if you go for that greedy build and get punished you won't even be set up to do recovery camps.

Axe is actually exceedingly easy to kill or push out of lane in the early game. Heroes like dazzle or lina actually have the advantage over axe early on, if all you have for sustain against a dazzle is a ring of health you are going to get murdered, if you don't then the opposition is doing something wrong.