There is a small problem with faceless void

[Tony Montana]

Chrono is a spell that has one huge problem, It goes through magic immunity. It's stupid. If you think about it most aoe ults dont do that, the fact that a carry has one that goes through it is dumb. Normally if you have an enemy CM or something you get a bkb but with faceless it doesnt work. "stop him early game" doesnt apply to him because as soon as he gets MoM its game over. His backtrack also helps him jungle so even if he cant farm in lane he can surly get farm in a jungle, dont forget about his bash. If they made a small change (making it not go through spell immunity) he would be fine with me. Im not saying he is op but he needs a change.

[Tony Montana]

İlk olarak GoabNZ tarafından gönderildi:

What pierces BKB and other spell immunity? Lets see
http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Spell_Immunity#List_of_abilities_that_pierce_spell_immunity

Lots of spells do. Try Rupture and Doom - they put a stop to Faceless Void. And even if Faceless Void does get a MoM early because you don't stop him from farming, you screw yourself over if you give him the opportunity to trap you in Chronosphere. Try not grouping up....

Doom and rupture are single target spells, that is fine with me but an ult that takes up an AOE that goes through spell immunity is dumb, Enigma is fine because black hole is the only thing enigma has + hes a support and very weak. he has a stun (basicly coldsnap) his children midnight pulse and black hole. He isnt a carry so im fine with it. take other aoe ults like kunkka tide or cm they dont go through it and that is fair because its an aoe. Void is this hero who doesnt need chono, and if you say dont group up how do you team push? Void can jump in and chrono unless you have a ranged carry its hard to stop him (or stuns) his jump is a free blink he has his dodge, and a bash he can do well with out chrono but chrono gives him a kill or two (depends on his items) and he is hard to stop (if you gank him he has chrono) so chrono shouldnt go through spell immunity. also rupture doesnt do anything if he blinks (if i remember) cause he cant be killed during it.

[Woody]

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İlk olarak GoabNZ tarafından gönderildi:

What pierces BKB and other spell immunity? Lets see
http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Spell_Immunity#List_of_abilities_that_pierce_spell_immunity

Lots of spells do. Try Rupture and Doom - they put a stop to Faceless Void. And even if Faceless Void does get a MoM early because you don't stop him from farming, you screw yourself over if you give him the opportunity to trap you in Chronosphere. Try not grouping up....

Doom and rupture are single target spells, that is fine with me but an ult that takes up an AOE that goes through spell immunity is dumb, Enigma is fine because black hole is the only thing enigma has + hes a support and very weak. he has a stun (basicly coldsnap) his children midnight pulse and black hole. He isnt a carry so im fine with it. take other aoe ults like kunkka tide or cm they dont go through it and that is fair because its an aoe. Void is this hero who doesnt need chono, and if you say dont group up how do you team push? Void can jump in and chrono unless you have a ranged carry its hard to stop him (or stuns) his jump is a free blink he has his dodge, and a bash he can do well with out chrono but chrono gives him a kill or two (depends on his items) and he is hard to stop (if you gank him he has chrono) so chrono shouldnt go through spell immunity.

But void isn't OP so that change would destroy him.

[Tony Montana]

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Doom and rupture are single target spells, that is fine with me but an ult that takes up an AOE that goes through spell immunity is dumb, Enigma is fine because black hole is the only thing enigma has + hes a support and very weak. he has a stun (basicly coldsnap) his children midnight pulse and black hole. He isnt a carry so im fine with it. take other aoe ults like kunkka tide or cm they dont go through it and that is fair because its an aoe. Void is this hero who doesnt need chono, and if you say dont group up how do you team push? Void can jump in and chrono unless you have a ranged carry its hard to stop him (or stuns) his jump is a free blink he has his dodge, and a bash he can do well with out chrono but chrono gives him a kill or two (depends on his items) and he is hard to stop (if you gank him he has chrono) so chrono shouldnt go through spell immunity.

But void isn't OP so that change would destroy him.

Not saying he is OP im just saying his ult shouldnt go through bkb chrono is one of a few AOE ults that do, and the ones that do are normally on supports.

[Tony Montana]

İlk olarak achus93 tarafından gönderildi:

Void already has a 38% winrate in comp. you want to screw over him again?

yes

[Woody]

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İlk olarak woody36 tarafından gönderildi:

But void isn't OP so that change would destroy him.

Not saying he is OP im just saying his ult shouldnt go through bkb chrono is one of a few AOE ults that do, and the ones that do are normally on supports.

Medusa's does as well would you change that?

[Tony Montana]

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Not saying he is OP im just saying his ult shouldnt go through bkb chrono is one of a few AOE ults that do, and the ones that do are normally on supports.

Medusa's does as well would you change that?

Medusa is weak, (unless she gets fed) she isnt a problem, you just dont look at her and you're fine but void's is instant.

[pannicatack]

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Medusa's does as well would you change that?

Medusa is weak, (unless she gets fed) she isnt a problem, you just dont look at her and you're fine but void's is instant.

Actually, Medusa is a lot stronger in the current metagame than Faceless Void.

[Woody]

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Medusa's does as well would you change that?

Medusa is weak, (unless she gets fed) she isnt a problem, you just dont look at her and you're fine but void's is instant.

Well void's isn't instant as timewalk has travel time and crono has a cast time on it. Void is quite weak at the moment so saying medusa is weak so you wouldn't change it should follow for void as well.

[Tony Montana]

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Medusa is weak, (unless she gets fed) she isnt a problem, you just dont look at her and you're fine but void's is instant.

Well void's isn't instant as timewalk has travel time and crono has a cast time on it. Void is quite weak at the moment so saying medusa is weak so you wouldn't change it should follow for void as well.

http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2ggj1z/the_real_problem_with_faceless_void read that someone timed it

[Tony Montana]

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Medusa is weak, (unless she gets fed) she isnt a problem, you just dont look at her and you're fine but void's is instant.

Actually, Medusa is a lot stronger in the current metagame than Faceless Void.

She doesnt have alot of hp, if you drain her mana she can get killed ez

[Woody]

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Well void's isn't instant as timewalk has travel time and crono has a cast time on it. Void is quite weak at the moment so saying medusa is weak so you wouldn't change it should follow for void as well.

http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2ggj1z/the_real_problem_with_faceless_void read that someone timed it

This is a worst case senario because you will have longer if you can see void and you can still doge it anyway if you have a mobility item/skill. Also what you are asking for doesn't make sense because void creates this bubble where time stops, why would being spell immune allow you to control time like void?

[shrimpcakes]

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İlk olarak woody36 tarafından gönderildi:

You are wrong the illusions do damage regardless of spell immunity.

ive played CK and they dont. look it up.

Please just play the game more and try to understand why things are the way they are. Void can be so easily backtracked(pun intended) with constant harass and is easily shut down.

Not to mention the number of ults and skills that completely counteract his chrono, higher mmr games know to get bkb to use during his ult due to the number of stuns disables and ults that could work against void's team during his own chrono.

[Tony Montana]

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ive played CK and they dont. look it up.

Please just play the game more and try to understand why things are the way they are. Void can be so easily backtracked(pun intended) with constant harass and is easily shut down.

Not to mention the number of ults and skills that completely counteract his chrono, higher mmr games know to get bkb to use during his ult due to the number of stuns disables and ults that could work against void's team during his own chrono.

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[Tony Montana]

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Chrono is a spell that has one huge problem, It goes through magic immunity.

Supernova, Overgrowth, Black Hole, Chronospehere, Ice Blast, Rverse Polarity, Stone Gase, Winters Curse, Remote Mines.

What where you saying ?

Remote mines dont go through spell immunity, Supernova can be destroyed and stone gase they have to look at you...

[Tony Montana]

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http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2ggj1z/the_real_problem_with_faceless_void read that someone timed it

This is a worst case senario because you will have longer if you can see void and you can still doge it anyway if you have a mobility item/skill. Also what you are asking for doesn't make sense because void creates this bubble where time stops, why would being spell immune allow you to control time like void?

I dont care about the lore, "it stops time" i dont care, i think chrono needs to be changed and its hard to react if you dont have a force staff or a blink dagger.