Why is Doom not a Support?

[The_Technomancer]

I have played with doom supports and they do surprisingly well. Supports are meant to be item independent and usually have powerful disables. Doom has a powerful silence/mute. LVL? Death does damage based on how well the enemy is doing making it item independent. He has a decent escape spell to help him. And consume creep is powerful but since most creep spells are auras to increase ally effectiveness why isn't he considered a support? He is also listed as durable making him naturally tanky. I am curious what everyone else thinks about this.

[achus93]

he's tanky once he gets some armor, otherwise he's screwed (since he starts with like 1 armor or something)

also, i've seen matches where he's played as the position 4, going to the enemy jungle and constantly ganking.

Doom is a very versatile hero, but a lot of people just prefers to play him as a pos 1-3....

[UhtredOfPacketberg]

He has poor lane prescence, he can't function well in a trilane because he doesn't have a reliable disable unless he eats a centuar, his mana pool is also poor. Same reason Omni isnt picked.

[Bananenmann]

Position 4 junglin' support DOOM is legit, but position 5 isn't since doom needs exp and items to be useful and buying wards, pulling the lane and babysitting is not what doom is meant to be doing.

[Reiteration6]

Originally posted by TFOD The_Technomancer:

why isn't he considered a support?

Doom is classed as a nuker/carry. Meaning he's a carry who can function without items if necessary. He works better played as a carry, though (usually - obviously if your team already has 4 carries, he's better played as support), so that's why he's usually used that way.

[jay jay the dank planezinho]

Doom and his weird mental disorder... LVL? Death... Not sure why he can't just do the proper damage.

-Why didn't you kill him, Doom!?
-Because my spell is at this (random number) Lvl and that hero's Lvl was (another random number). Can't do much against people in those levels...

As for Omni, I like him. Not every hero has to be good in a tri lane (I hate tri lanes anyway). Sounds like a poor excuse to not pick him. Didn't have a lot of trouble regarding his mana either. If you build the right items, you can kinda spam some of spells even early game.

Not so sure about Doom support though... I guess it can work, but there are better things to pick if you need a support. Maybe in an All Random/Single Draft match where you may not have a lot of options...

[AAAAAAAAAAAAA]

Originally posted by achus93:

he's tanky once he gets some armor, otherwise he's screwed (since he starts with like 1 armor or something)

also, i've seen matches where he's played as the position 4, going to the enemy jungle and constantly ganking.

Doom is a very versatile hero, but a lot of people just prefers to play him as a pos 1-3....

Doom starts with 0 armor.

But i used to play him as a mek/mana boots carrier. Doom the most important caster on the other team (invoker, brewmaster, etc...) and watch your carry do the work. I haven't played since the new patch but I'd probably buiild the same way. The only thing with doom is that you have to choose between greedy or not greedy. If you go midas and get time to farm, he's (imo) the fatest farming hero in the game. Since you essentially get 2.5 midases in the one midas cool down (with devour). His farming potential in jungle with midas and some levels is incredibly high.

[UhtredOfPacketberg]

Originally posted by Rick_is_Life:

(I hate tri lanes anyway). Sounds like a poor excuse to not pick him. Didn't have a lot of trouble regarding his mana either. If you build the right items, you can kinda spam some of spells even early game.
lot of options...

Hey, it's not my excuse, it's the pros excuse. I think he's pretty strong.

[achus93]

Originally posted by EST:

Originally posted by achus93:

he's tanky once he gets some armor, otherwise he's screwed (since he starts with like 1 armor or something)

also, i've seen matches where he's played as the position 4, going to the enemy jungle and constantly ganking.

Doom is a very versatile hero, but a lot of people just prefers to play him as a pos 1-3....

Doom starts with 0 armor.

oh, so it's worse than i remembered?

that's great...

Originally posted by Scraggle426 @StoneSpirit:

Originally posted by Rick_is_Life:

(I hate tri lanes anyway). Sounds like a poor excuse to not pick him. Didn't have a lot of trouble regarding his mana either. If you build the right items, you can kinda spam some of spells even early game.
lot of options...

Hey, it's not my excuse, it's the pros excuse. I think he's pretty strong.

really?
i hear a lot of pros saying how strong he is...

[Haden]

Originally posted by TFOD The_Technomancer:

I have played with doom supports and they do surprisingly well. Supports are meant to be item independent and usually have powerful disables. Doom has a powerful silence/mute. LVL? Death does damage based on how well the enemy is doing making it item independent. He has a decent escape spell to help him. And consume creep is powerful but since most creep spells are auras to increase ally effectiveness why isn't he considered a support? He is also listed as durable making him naturally tanky. I am curious what everyone else thinks about this.

Because of the current meta, unlike me (not meant to brag) most don't try their own tactics, builds, etc. They just follow the meta, which for doom is carry. But he can support, yep, good hp, good dmg, bad armor, but an AC/shivas and tranquils can fix that.

[jay jay the dank planezinho]

well, the pros aren't playing for us in the pubs games, are they? what they are doing in their pro matches may not work very well with the pub mentality.

[jay jay the dank planezinho]

Originally posted by ESS.Haden:

Because of the current meta, unlike me (not meant to brag) most don't try their own tactics, builds, etc. They just follow the meta, which for doom is carry. But he can support, yep, good hp, good dmg, bad armor, but an AC/shivas and tranquils can fix that.

But honestly though, there are better supports to pick if you need one. I suppose, depending on the match, you may actually think that supporting may help your team more, but I don't think it's a good idea to pick Doom and say "hey, i'm playing support".

Dotes is not an exact science, I guess. Anything can goes and every match is a little different, but still, better to use some good sense when picking any hero to fill the role that your team needs in the moment.

[[D]Mit.]

i saw a doom getting vlads/drums/heart and consuming the alpha wolf ( whatever ) creep and supported an anti mage
Worked so well for them

[LunaticDelusion]

Doom is a great support indeed.He's a decent mid-game carry,but most of the people think that he's a pro mlg 360 noscope late-game carry and are getting trash items that he don't need.Like a midas or sb.
Meka really fits him.
Also,Doom starts with minus armor (something like -0.19) but it's shown as 0.

[Goat]

Io (Wisp) has minus armor too!