Hard bots, odd exp gain rate?

[Star Admiral Damon Nagasawa]

Just had a match against some hard bots in a co-op bot match, thought it'd be pretty easy since medium bots aren't every... challenging in most cases. Fast forward to the 6 minute mark, and almost all of the enemy team somehow has at least 2-3 levels on us, despite that being when first blood happened, and none of us being forced out of our lanes. Embarrasingly, they snowballed us because of that. Barely got through with a ton of ratting usage, and barely scratching their exp gain. (Beginning of our ratting tactics, I was level 13, with the enemy team mostly at level 20) Basically, I just wanted to ask... Do Hard bots have the same exp and gold bonus that unfiar bots have? If not, any clue as to how they out farmed us?

[Deepbluediver]

Hard and Unfair bots cheat because the AI sucks. They gain XP at a constant rate, have extra gold, heal when out of sight, TP before the cooldown is done, etc etc etc.

Edit: It's not just Valves fault here, programming AI is really tough, especially for a game with as many possible scenarios as DotA.

[Star Admiral Damon Nagasawa]

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

Hard and Unfair bots cheat because the AI sucks. They gain XP at a constant rate, have extra gold, heal when out of sight, TP before the cooldown is done, etc etc etc.

Edit: It's not just Valves fault here, programming AI is really tough, especially for a game with as many possible scenarios as DotA.

Those all explain some things. For instance, why it was that even through ratting we had a very low chance of surviving our runs against towers since they could even keep up with me as NP in our teleporting between lanes. That, and how their Riki kept getting a full health bar every 20 seconds.

[Gibi]

Eh, The dota bots do have an awful ai thats rather abusable.

[Ninjabutter]

They shouldn't have an XP benefit on Hard.

http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Bots

Unfair bots have a 25% advantage in both gold and XP but Hard ones should be the same amount as your own.

[achus93]

Hard bots are essentially try-hard semi-pro players.

Unfair bots are the ones who get bonus gold/xp....

[Star Admiral Damon Nagasawa]

Originally posted by Ninjabutter:

They shouldn't have an XP benefit on Hard.

http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Bots

Unfair bots have a 25% advantage in both gold and XP but Hard ones should be the same amount as your own.

'Shrugs' All I know is that they were beating our exp in the landing phase despite us having a constant presence.

[gorillaCHEEZ]

they hold eachother's ♥♥♥♥♥. rat doto wins. also, they can't lane against axe of veno in laning phase. easy to get 10+ kill before they wise up.

[Qai]

If you're getting outlevelled on hard, then it's likely due to them getting all their last hits and denying most of yours.

[Ninjabutter]

Originally posted by Briggs:

'Shrugs' All I know is that they were beating our exp in the landing phase despite us having a constant presence.

It's quite possible they're staying far enough back that you can't immediately see them, while still being just close enough to still be getting XP from the creep fights. They're bots, they don't have to estimate the distance.

[Shepherd]

Originally posted by Qai:

If you're getting outlevelled on hard, then it's likely due to them getting all their last hits and denying most of yours.

This. The hard bots are amazing at denying if you let them hang out in lane.

[Star Admiral Damon Nagasawa]

Originally posted by Rackjaw:

Originally posted by Qai:

If you're getting outlevelled on hard, then it's likely due to them getting all their last hits and denying most of yours.

This. The hard bots are amazing at denying if you let them hang out in lane.

Well, I can't vouch for the other lanes, but I was having a pretty equal deny fight with my rival laner, and they were 2 levels above me when things got nasty. I feel like I'll be sticking with player (non ranked) and medium not matches for now.

[achus93]

Originally posted by Ninjabutter:

Originally posted by Briggs:

'Shrugs' All I know is that they were beating our exp in the landing phase despite us having a constant presence.

It's quite possible they're staying far enough back that you can't immediately see them, while still being just close enough to still be getting XP from the creep fights. They're bots, they don't have to estimate the distance.

the one drawback of us being humans...

[Ninjabutter]

Originally posted by achus93:

the one drawback of us being humans...

It's such a handicap sometimes. Games would be so much easier if I was Jorge Bot.

It does annoy me facing a bot Necrophos just because you know damn well that if you hear the sound effect start, someone's about to die. Bots don't drop a Reaper's Scythe on a badly-hurt target and then watch it escape with 20 HP.

[Wolf]

well to be fair they'd have to add something to make up for the bad ai xD

[Qai]

Originally posted by Ninjabutter:

Originally posted by achus93:

the one drawback of us being humans...

It's such a handicap sometimes. Games would be so much easier if I was Jorge Bot.

It does annoy me facing a bot Necrophos just because you know damn well that if you hear the sound effect start, someone's about to die. Bots don't drop a Reaper's Scythe on a badly-hurt target and then watch it escape with 20 HP.

The one that gets me is when I see one lone bot starting to charge me for no apparent reason, at which point I think to myself "you f****** idiot". That's when I also realize I'm getting ganked. Except if it's Witch Doctor. That bot truly is stupid.