Abyssal blade & MoM on ranged heroes

[Solid Snake]

Hello guys, i got a question... Does abyssal blade work on ranged heroes....
and my 2nd question is does it stack with MoM or not?

thank you

[Lord Girth]

Abyssal blade does work on ranged with a lower chance of bash, and I do believe MoM will stack. Simply try it in a offline bots match for yourself.

[I Have A Quota To Hit]

yes it works, but at a highly reduced rate of bash, and to cast abyssal you need to be in melee range

[Solid Snake]

i see... so basically its of no use getting abyssal blade for a ranged hero since u can't cast abyssal from a distance.

[[D]Mit.]

Originally posted by Bundesliga:

i see... so basically its of no use getting abyssal blade for a ranged hero since u can't cast abyssal from a distance.

That along with the reduce stun chance make it a bad choice for ranged heroes...
It does stack though it's not a unique attack modifier unlike mask of madness,desolator,skadi etc
If you want something similar like Abysall Blade get an MKB, good damage, a mini stun that procs a lot when you have good attack speed and ignores evasion

[Superfly]

Originally posted by DMit.:

That along with the reduce stun chance make it a bad choice for ranged heroes...
It does stack though it's not a unique attack modifier unlike mask of madness,desolator,skadi etc
If you want something similar like Abysall Blade get an MKB, good damage, a mini stun that procs a lot when you have good attack speed and ignores evasion

^^ This. What you want is a mkb. I know it seems expensive, but it is extremely cost effective for a damage item. Miss the old sniper? Get a MoM and mkb. Then, watch people fail while trying to run away. Just don't do that if theres a nyx or something similar on the enemy team :P

[Single Draft Dodger]

Abyssal can be situationally good on ranged heroes. Lower chance to bash but still chance, good damage, and the active you save when somebody tries to jump you. Ex: You're Sniper and PA blinks on you? Abyssal and back up. (Though vs PA particularly you definitely want MKB 1st anyway.)

[Superfly]

Originally posted by Funkadelic Jive Turkey:

Abyssal can be situationally good on ranged heroes. Lower chance to bash but still chance, good damage, and the active you save when somebody tries to jump you. Ex: You're Sniper and PA blinks on you? Abyssal and back up. (Though vs PA particularly you definitely want MKB 1st anyway.)

I'm thinking the best "ranged" hero for it might be dk. You have that long range stun in dragon form. So you have time to do damage and get in closer for the abyssal active. That's one hell of a long stun chain for 1 hero to have. Then you get the better proc chance on him as well in melee form. Though having said that, i still don't really see me getting one on a dk. I think there's better items for him.

[MYATT DAMON]

Abyssal is not a unique attack modifier so it works with everything and it has 10% chance with ranged heros

[Superfly]

Originally posted by fote dfrape fishy:

don't forget lucky ppl have a 100% ^^

That is how i personally help dota. I get the 0% chance, so that someone else may enjoy the 100%. It is my gift to the game.

[Kimber Prime]

Originally posted by Mitsuke ͼ͌ͽ≈:

Originally posted by DMit.:

That along with the reduce stun chance make it a bad choice for ranged heroes...
It does stack though it's not a unique attack modifier unlike mask of madness,desolator,skadi etc
If you want something similar like Abysall Blade get an MKB, good damage, a mini stun that procs a lot when you have good attack speed and ignores evasion

^^ This. What you want is a mkb. I know it seems expensive, but it is extremely cost effective for a damage item. Miss the old sniper? Get a MoM and mkb. Then, watch people fail while trying to run away. Just don't do that if theres a nyx or something similar on the enemy team :P

It's also great fun with WR ult. =p

[Superfly]

Originally posted by Kimber Prime:

Originally posted by Mitsuke ͼ͌ͽ≈:

^^ This. What you want is a mkb. I know it seems expensive, but it is extremely cost effective for a damage item. Miss the old sniper? Get a MoM and mkb. Then, watch people fail while trying to run away. Just don't do that if theres a nyx or something similar on the enemy team :P

It's also great fun with WR ult. =p

Uggh. That's a ministun nightmare. Stutter step your way to a very fast death.

[Single Draft Dodger]

Originally posted by Mitsuke ͼ͌ͽ≈:

Originally posted by Funkadelic Jive Turkey:

Abyssal can be situationally good on ranged heroes. Lower chance to bash but still chance, good damage, and the active you save when somebody tries to jump you. Ex: You're Sniper and PA blinks on you? Abyssal and back up. (Though vs PA particularly you definitely want MKB 1st anyway.)

I'm thinking the best "ranged" hero for it might be dk. You have that long range stun in dragon form. So you have time to do damage and get in closer for the abyssal active. That's one hell of a long stun chain for 1 hero to have. Then you get the better proc chance on him as well in melee form. Though having said that, i still don't really see me getting one on a dk. I think there's better items for him.

Yea I can see that, but I meant more using the active to be able to back up. So let's say Drow gets jumped by an enemy with BKB...gust won't work and she needs to get away - abyssal can give you an opportunity to back up. Again I wouldn't generally recommend it for ranged but there are situations you might want it. (Also 10% chance to stun for 1.4 seconds isn't so bad if you attack super fast.)

[Superfly]

Originally posted by Funkadelic Jive Turkey:

Originally posted by Mitsuke ͼ͌ͽ≈:

I'm thinking the best "ranged" hero for it might be dk. You have that long range stun in dragon form. So you have time to do damage and get in closer for the abyssal active. That's one hell of a long stun chain for 1 hero to have. Then you get the better proc chance on him as well in melee form. Though having said that, i still don't really see me getting one on a dk. I think there's better items for him.

Yea I can see that, but I meant more using the active to be able to back up. So let's say Drow gets jumped by an enemy with BKB...gust won't work and she needs to get away - abyssal can give you an opportunity to back up. Again I wouldn't generally recommend it for ranged but there are situations you might want it. (Also 10% chance to stun for 1.4 seconds isn't so bad if you attack super fast.)

Oh yeah, i knew what you meant. I was just spitballing ideas. Sometimes i just talk to myself. It's ok to ignore me ;)

[Foster]

I think it could only be a good pick up on windranger, altougth most winds preffer to go mkb since its value its more cost effective. Most of the times its REALLY situational. i saw a pro game where the puck had to get an abby blade in the ultra lategame becuase they had no way to stop jugger's tp's when he was using his Q or any of the other heroes bkb + tp's.

[A Street Sweeper]

Originally posted by Chairmode Activated:

I think it could only be a good pick up on windranger, altougth most winds preffer to go mkb since its value its more cost effective. Most of the times its REALLY situational. i saw a pro game where the puck had to get an abby blade in the ultra lategame becuase they had no way to stop jugger's tp's when he was using his Q or any of the other heroes bkb + tp's.

I wouldn't mind giving it a try situationally with clinkz. I sometimes find myself main carry as clinkz and orchid really falls off when the bkbs come out. I normally build clinkz pretty tanky as well when I'm rich (with skadi and satanic) so I don't mind going toe to toe with some enemy carries.