When do players understand the power of Smoke?

[Jomppexx]

Most of the people I play with in ranked don't appreciate their supports buying them smoke and ignore asks to come for a gank.
At what MMR do people start understanding how good smoke really is and how much easier it makes getting kills?

[Apocalypse]

So today, a weaver in the other team picked up a gem to counter me, Techies.

Yes, I picked techies to counter Weaver btw. He's quite slippery, and mines make a guaranteed kill on him.

We had an LC, so I made up a plan to use Smoke of Deceit to get near weaver so that LC could duel him. This would kill weaver in the process, who was the most valuable player in their team after he got the gem, and we could retrieve the gem. Plus of course a duel victory for LC.

I was laughed at saying that Weaver has Gem of True sight and my smoke idea was stupid.


Later, we did successfully execute this plan as I bought the dust and they decided to give it a try anyway.

[noname]

Smoke isn't listed in the vast majority of guides, and if it is it's as a "Situational" or "Support" item, so no one uses it.

[pannicatack]

It's never used in pubs, despite being the best consumable in the game (apart from Animal Courier).

[Dendi Defendi]

it's a must have for rosh, at any level
a lot of people become disillusioned by it, however, because they don't maintain vision, and then smoke and randomly go jungle exploring with no idea what waits for them there
sometimes a kill, sometimes nothing, sometimes they get wiped

[76561198206255688]

used to see it alot when there was pa event

[Jomppexx]

Originally posted by noname:

Smoke isn't listed in the vast majority of guides, and if it is it's as a "Situational" or "Support" item, so no one uses it.

Yeah I feel this is a big reason.
Also, it's a consumable so people don't see it as too valuable of an item.
I though so too, then I played some supports and decided to give smoke a shot.

[corbet]

Because I can blink and kill people before my cc duration even ends, and blink gank from any spot on the map without enemies knowing it's coming. So as such I don't need smoke. I have yet to have a game where I am not the highest level/net worth/ and kill death ratio in a quite a few matches. So I think I am fine, but thanks for the suggestion.

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by Aleister Crowley:

Because I can blink and kill people before my cc duration even ends, and blink gank from any spot on the map without enemies knowing it's coming. So as such I don't need smoke. I have yet to have a game where I am not the highest level/net worth/ and kill death ratio in a quite a few matches. So I think I am fine, but thanks for the suggestion.

Well, good try. A blink dagger costs you 2250 gold. And you said without enemy knowing that you are coming, well that is a misconception, that is why you have Observer wards for.

Dust is not detected by sentry, or gem of true sight. It is one of the best ganking tool in the game.

[LunaticDelusion]

Meh.Smoke is kinds useless in pubs,only as counter to thundergod's wrath/assasinate/primal spirit/nature's wrath etc,or soloing a rosh.

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by LunaticDelusion:

Meh.Smoke is kinds useless in pubs,only as counter to thundergod's wrath/assasinate/primal spirit/nature's wrath etc,or soloing a rosh.

I didnt know wards pick up smoked units. Thats something new.

Well I hope you know how the dust works, it is not detected by True Sight.
Ameteur

[LunaticDelusion]

Originally posted by Apocalypse:

Originally posted by LunaticDelusion:

Meh.Smoke is kinds useless in pubs,only as counter to thundergod's wrath/assasinate/primal spirit/nature's wrath etc,or soloing a rosh.

I didnt know wards pick up smoked units. Thats something new.

Well I hope you know how the dust works, it is not detected by True Sight.
Ameteur

Wut.Smoke is useless in pubs because it's really hard to force someone to gank with you.It's a team item,not hero item..
And who the hell you're calling an amateur,you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ noob?1 vs 1 me,noscope only

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by LunaticDelusion:

Originally posted by Apocalypse:

I didnt know wards pick up smoked units. Thats something new.

Well I hope you know how the dust works, it is not detected by True Sight.
Ameteur

Wut.

Should I explain to you that Dust invisible heroes are not detected by items that grant True SIght like wards or gem.

It gets dispelled when you reach a specific range of a hero or tower and some other things, a sentry ward or gem is not one of it.

And dont talk about if it does or does not work in pubs, I have done it countless time. And with your level of understanding, you dont really deserve to compete with me. I dont waste time with amateurs.

[LunaticDelusion]

Originally posted by Apocalypse:

Originally posted by LunaticDelusion:

Wut.

Should I explain to you that Dust invisible heroes are not detected by items that grant True SIght like wards or gem.

It gets dispelled when you reach a specific range of a hero or tower and some other things, a sentry ward or gem is not one of it.

You should learn how to read first.I know that stuff,but smoke is still useless.Git gud.

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by LunaticDelusion:

Originally posted by Apocalypse:

Should I explain to you that Dust invisible heroes are not detected by items that grant True SIght like wards or gem.

It gets dispelled when you reach a specific range of a hero or tower and some other things, a sentry ward or gem is not one of it.

You should learn how to read first.I know that stuff,but smoke is still useless.Git gud.

You are the one who has not ever tried a smoke gank, have no clue about how smoke works, evident from your first post no matter how much you say that you knew before. Dodging it now isn't going to help in anyway, everyone who already read your first post can figure it out. And I don't really have time to waste on the likes of you, I'm out.

[LunaticDelusion]

Originally posted by Apocalypse:

Originally posted by LunaticDelusion:

You should learn how to read first.I know that stuff,but smoke is still useless.Git gud.

You are the one who has not ever tried a smoke gank, have no clue about how smoke works, evident from your first post no matter how much you say that you knew before. Dodging it now isn't going to help in anyway, everyone who already read your first post can figure it out. And I don't really have time to waste on the likes of you, I'm out.

I did a ton of ganks in cm mode with smoke.You're a clueless noob who read some stuff about smoke on wiki and now you're claiming that you're a pro.
Go back to your 1.9k trench tier.Countering a weaver with technies.